I might be remembering this wrong, but didn't Lovecraft somehow fictionalized real aliens? Also if we go by Van Gogh and Hokusai's bios, Outer gods existed way before Salem unfolded. You can even throw in Prelati as shady as his connection is.
I might be remembering this wrong, but didn't Lovecraft somehow fictionalized real aliens? Also if we go by Van Gogh and Hokusai's bios, Outer gods existed way before Salem unfolded. You can even throw in Prelati as shady as his connection is.
Can't say for certain if they're real, since Raum had mentioned them as born from a man's fever dream, at least in NA.
How can they be True Demons if they were created by humans and the products of humanity?Originally Posted by Comun
It's (very unnecessarily) complicated. Greek, Norse, etc. gods were there but peeling off their textures made them lost from history. Outer Gods, on the other hand, don't exist in, and never did.the Solar Systemour universe
Cthulhu lore claims Cthulhu sleeps in a fish city in the depths of the Pacific Ocean, but neither him nor his city are anywhere to be found in the Pacific. Cthulhu lore claims our universe is dreamed by Azathoth, but that's irrelevant because there's no Azathoth to begin with.
But here's the stupid part. Outer Gods don't exist in our universe, but exist just fine outside of it, and there's an astronomically low risk of them connecting to our universe. Prelati accidentally connected once, judged this to be too dangerous, then sealed his connection in that grimoire.
Later, Lovecraft wrote horror that coincidentally happened to perfectly describe Outer Gods. Raum strongly insists that Lovecraft knows nothing about magecraft and had no idea he accidentally saying correct stuff.
Basically, TM Outer Gods are just weird, unrelated things with similar traits to Lovecraft's fictional gods. That's the lore reason why the Outer Gods are never referred by name, even by the impersonal and unbiased Material books. The IRL reason why is questionable copyright.
Then, in 2017, Raum used his Salem magecraft to bring in his Outer Gods, but since his area was a piece of the 1693 Salem Witch Trials isolated from time, the Outer Gods retroactively started existing in 1693, allowing Cthulu to interact with Hokusai in 1849 and van Gogh in 1890.
That's exactly what I'm telling you. Outer Gods are regular, fake devils. They have nothing to do with True, aside from maybe being the fake devil most similar to the real thing (unconfirmed).
Wait that means all Foreigners are going to be comparative moderners instead of like, Akhenaten.
That makes them even more of a meme class.
Pay zero attention to anything going on and throw Melt and Sitonai at all your problems until they go away?
We already have one exception with Yang Guifei, who turned immortal in 756, so I guess the rule is "be alive post-1693, even if the human part of your life happened before it".
So, Outer Gods are actual aliens who existed outside of our universe/solar system, but Raum used a ritual to connect them to Lovecraft's creations?
They exist, but it's important to note that when they say "another universe" they really do mean that these entities exist nowhere within all of creation that we inhabit (since universe per definition refers to all of space and time and everything contained within them), so it's not like the outer gods just exist in some parallel universe or world or in the texture of a bygone age (like the reverse side), it's literally another universe.
So they exist there, elsewhere, and Lovecraft just happened to get a lot of stuff about them right via his dreams, and he wrote it all down as his fiction, then Raum used that as his basis to connect to their place of existence. So it's not that Raum took Lovecraft's writing and literally turned it from fiction to reality.
wait so how do the painting and van gogh work in the "original" history
Salem "happening" in 2017 doesn't matter because it takes place in 1693, so history retroactively now includes the Outer Gods expansion pack for all content after 1693, and that includes Van Gogh who lived in the 1800s. It's just like how if someone in the future becomes a new Heroic Spirit Gilgamesh will still get their NP/prototype because it's a retroactive clause. And because only humans and other lifeforms from Earth are bad enough to experience time linearly, it only seems like a big question mark to us since it's retroactive, but you have to remember that a lot of higher level stuff in the nasuverse just deal with universes of records and just see all of time at once, so technically there never was an "original history without outer gods" but if there was, it's probably safe to assume that he just made a normal painting (or not, considering the shit all the artists get into in Fate nowadays).
Yeah I got this. Feels like another setting would be an appropriate way to describe it.
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I mean those questionable copyrights exist because not just lovecraft got it right, other random authors too.
And if you wanna say maybe they were affected by the outer gods, then with their retroactive existence since 1693, they couldve affected lovecraft too.
Isnt almost all of lovecraft in public domain though, cant see how there questionable in anyway myself as ive seen plenty of things use cthulhu and co, like pathfinder has a ton of mythos dieties
Event chapter 3 part 3.
Nice, packed scene, with a neat character moment for Melt, Guifei lore, and the first real pieces of foreshadowing on the 13th Marine.
It's not that simple. Everything Lovecraft himself wrote entered public domain in 2008, and although he himself wanted others to use his stuff and share it, it didn't end up that simple in the world of copyright. People he wrote with in life, or that contributed to the mythos shortly after his death are still alive, and they have their own copyright on what they've written (even though they're using his mythos as a set piece, it's still their original writing), so you would have to look up each individual piece of the mythos you want to use and make sure that this specific part is in the public domain (unless the respective author has also given free reign to use their stuff as you like), so it's quite a mess in general.
How exactly did Raikou manage to get recorded into history as a male? did she just intimidate everyone into agreeing with falsifying history on her behalf or something?
Is Jing Ke classified as a rebel? Mordred is a rebel of the throne and Spartacus is a rebel of pretty much everything.
Anyone not done with Part 1, follow me at 999323400
Oh, OK. So it's Stupid.
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Just the usual Servant crap of 'A "cool" concept first, retroactive justification via some half-assed explanation that just raises more questions later, if we feel like it'
Though actually I think the retroactive explaining irritates me more
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