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Any takers on why the walls of Camelot/ the main gate has "only the pure/sinless may pass" scribbled out? Do you think its cuz fairies are bastards? Or did Merlin sneak into the city long ago and he's being cheeky about it?
That's why I'm not sure. We already have evidence of Avalon not caring about timelines with Bedivere's whole thing in Camelot.Originally Posted by SirGauoftheSquareTable
So...Salome is totally going to be on LB7 with her Crystal skulls, right? Right?!?
Anyone who's talking about an Irish goddess of anything is trying to sell you a bridge. We have absolutely zero evidence of which of the legendary figures in the Irish sagas may or may not have been actively worshipped in a pre-Christian Ireland, or even where they would have been worshipped if they were, because we have no evidence that they would have had a 'unified' set of gods as opposed to regional gods for different cultural groups. They're legendary figures from a corpus of sagas created ~500 years after active conversion began and borrow heavily from Classical influences and medieval understandings of 'paganism.'
In this case they look to be talking about a sovereignty goddess, which is a literary motif from the sagas of a woman who marries a powerful king (sometimes in the guise of a crone) in order to secure his reign, and those often have motifs of good fortune and harvests and whatnot, but they're purely a literary device made up for a particular story.
Glad I asked then, I didn't want to risk anything because I have no idea about Irish myths.
Seems like it. Though I wish she were in LB6 with her stepfather.
Wait, why did she think sending the calamity back in time would've been a good idea? Seems like that would just make it worse. Also couldn't she just use that on chunni-boy and have him fight himself or whatever and see if that fixes things?
Hmmm, it does feel like if he was in the Lostbelt, someone else would've inherited his role by now. Unless maybe that's what Morgan means by killing him multiple times.
Another question that I feel was probably answered, but how does Percy have the Lance of Longinus when it seems like there wasn't any Jesus in this world? Not to mention how different it looks to Longinus' version. Also is any extra info given about it such as if it's good at pointing out messiahs at all?
His story, as far as we know, is exactly the same as in PHH. We don't know which one it is but it makes no practical difference in the end.
NopeAny sign of the Red Dragon or what it really was given it seems like it was supposed to be Albion's equal?
Morgan used her Water Mirror, yes, but I'm leaning more towards it not really being an "accident". In the first place, the Water Mirror is specifically used for getting rid of the Calamities (and we know Morgan's plan involved sending the Calamities back in time). The fact that she was preparing to cast it (the "large-scale magecraft" they talk about very early in the chapter) also indicates that she fully intended to use it. However, what's interesting here is that she had already declared that she would abandon Norwich, and this would make sense if you think that she means it in the sense that she'll let Norwich be destroyed, and then send the Calamity away. However, it's weird of her to do that, because it's playing right into Ainsel's prophecy. If she knows the prophecy, and every other time has just sent the Calamity away immediately, why wouldn't she do so this time as well instead of playing into the prophecy that says she'll lose?
And the reason, I think, is because the FC -> QC has to act as one big stable loop, even though the FC consists of multiple smaller loops. This explains why the First Fairy Knight existed in Orkney even before Mashu was sent back in time, since it would have to mean that she also existed in the 2nd loop (the one where Tonelico initially established the QC) but we know she didn't obviously, which means it has to be a stable loop of "Mashu always went back in time and that's why she's there". In that sense, it makes sense that Morgan would be preparing to use the mirror even if she didn't give a shit about Norwich or the Calamity, and for her to play right into the prophecy (though it was changed slightly because of Mashu), because she has to send Mashu back in time, so she waits for Mashu to repel the Calamity and then hits her with the mirror so that the loop remains stable.
[QUOTE=Arete;3129779]Wait, why did she think sending the calamity back in time would've been a good idea? Seems like that would just make it worse. Also couldn't she just use that on chunni-boy and have him fight himself or whatever and see if that fixes things?
I don't think it was ever explained how sending the Calamities back is supposed to be part of her plan, other than somehow like increasing her energy reserves, I think. Though I might have missed or forgot about this.
Merlin is neither a fairy (neither primordial or revived by Morgan) nor an LB human, and if he was stuck in Avalon then he'd be unaffected by the world-wiping Calamities and all, so there's no reason why he would follow the fairy-rules of this world.Hmmm, it does feel like if he was in the Lostbelt, someone else would've inherited his role by now. Unless maybe that's what Morgan means by killing him multiple times.
The "holy lance" that Percy has in the LB is not Longinus per se (this is more apparent by the fact that in the in-game "cutscene" he doesn't name it as such), but it's the "spear of selection" which Tonelico arrived to Britain with (just like how Artoria has the Staff of Selection), but it became distorted and no longer has the property of "selection", so now it's just a holy lance which judges sinners and is dangerous against fairies.Another question that I feel was probably answered, but how does Percy have the Lance of Longinus when it seems like there wasn't any Jesus in this world? Not to mention how different it looks to Longinus' version. Also is any extra info given about it such as if it's good at pointing out messiahs at all?
Between Morgan's role in Olympus and Mash getting sent back in time, we practically have a running gag of Morgan shooting her special magecraft on the wrong thing.
The goof-up-at-the-worst-time trait, a Nasu classic
Considering that PHH Merlin regretted what happened with his Artoria, would he really basically repeat the same thing with this one? Speaking of which, did we ever hear who exactly gave Castoria the Arturia name? Was it Merlin?
I believe I had read somewhere that the loathly lady trope was something based off old tales of sovereignty goddesses.
I'm reminded of the fight between Touko and Aoko in Mahoyo and what Touko said about the issues of sending energy back or forward in time. I wonder if that is what Morgan is aiming for?
Somewhere, Rin's ears are ringing.
My best guess would be that she’s abusing the nature of the time loop to make herself conceptually stronger. If the Calamity gains power over time (an assumption I’m making), she would possibly need to be stronger to send it back/defeat it after the “first loop” (assuming it’s somewhat cyclical), and in order to preserve the stability of the time loop, she would simply get a power-up. But who knows
Or a gag of “Morgan pretends to shoot it at the wrong thing, but was actually intending to hit that ‘wrong thing’ all along and was simply lying”
Thanks for the detailed answer! Makes sense that we'd be getting some weird time stuff in the British LB. We thought it was an isekai but it was really Dr. Who all along.
By the sounds of it though, Tonelico was lying when she says she would forget Mash then. Though I suppose that was probably just a cover story so she doesn't ask questions later.
Reminds me, what became of Mash's title of Knight of Apocalypse? Was it explained why she had it?
And is there supposed to be someone in that world to represent each of the KotR or just a select few? Presumably this is the first time they've had Galahad in their mix.
And I have to wonder at what point she went back in time the second time. It doesn't seem like it could have been after we arrived, since we'd be caught up in that (or maybe that's the twist). But then if it was before Mash got sent back in time, but after she'd arrived, that'd really complicate things.
What is the origin of Demons (as in the race) anyway? Aren't they a type of elemental?Merlin is neither a fairy (neither primordial or revived by Morgan) nor an LB human, and if he was stuck in Avalon then he'd be unaffected by the world-wiping Calamities and all, so there's no reason why he would follow the fairy-rules of this world.
Staff of selection, sword of selection, spear of selection... probably end up with teacup of selection at this point. But what did it select exactly?The "holy lance" that Percy has in the LB is not Longinus per se (this is more apparent by the fact that in the in-game "cutscene" he doesn't name it as such), but it's the "spear of selection" which Tonelico arrived to Britain with (just like how Artoria has the Staff of Selection), but it became distorted and no longer has the property of "selection", so now it's just a holy lance which judges sinners and is dangerous against fairies.
And I presume my guess that 'original product' = 'original species' is just a wild guess then?
Funny that you mention that, actually.
because she has a pseudo-QTL she can send calamities back and theyll just get "pruned". The past doesn't change anymore because there's no tree to facilitate that past I think.
How did Gareth make Woody beatable? Did she break armor given to him by Morgan or something?
Pretty sure it was Percy that made Woodwose vulnerable, Gareth just blocked the Bad End we were about to get
ha Percival named his horse Kundry. I wonder if that's true for PHH too.
As far as adapting Lostbelts as an anime.
I think you can adapt LB5 into a 20 or 24 episode thing tbh.
The actual relevant content isn't as much as you'd think in my opinion. There's always filler and expansion potential that they would add, but whether that's a thing they should add and something that'd make it a better adaption or not is another matter.
Adapting fgo stuff is hard because there's a bit of a lack of meat on the bones if you catch my drift. The skeleton is there, the blueprints are there, but it's missing some stuff because of its format.
I personally think every LB can be adapted, either as an anime series or a movie series depending on length and budget. I think FGO as a mobage simultaneously has too much content for a screen format and too little.
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