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    Quote Originally Posted by Sssgth View Post
    Caenis was always a bad fit for a “trans rights” Servant anyway—their desire to go from female to male is explicitly due to trauma rather than any inborn quality, and when they die, their corpse is female.
    Maybe it's because trans people are so desperate for any kind of representation in stories that they'll latch onto things like this.
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    He's just putting the bone of his sword into other people until it explodes and lets out parts of him inside them.
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    Genderswaps are terrible, but I think I and other people would hate them less if Fate didn't keep ignoring actual heroines throughout history and folklore. Like, why bother turning Francis Drake into a woman when Ching Shih and Grace O'Malley exist?
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    Fate Zero is just Fate Stay Night for people who think Shirou is too girly

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    This is true, even when d'Eon is in the game. Then again, they're also pro-royalty, which isn't great.
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    Really, all 3 of the romances in F/SN are 'for want of a nail' kind of situations.
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    You mean because Shirou winds up falling for the first of the three that he Nailed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by asterism42 View Post
    Maybe it's because trans people are so desperate for any kind of representation in stories that they'll latch onto things like this.
    Let's also not forget the same thing happened with Astolfo, and while I do understand how his whole shtick might confuse some people it takes literally 2 minutes of research to see that he's just fucking with people.

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    He's just living his best life. Well, his best second life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirGauoftheSquareTable View Post
    Caenus/Caenis leaned hard into ancient Greek toxic masculinity for that one
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    It's like with centaur girls, you're fucking a horse. Sure the human part is the one that moans but your dick is in the horse, no way around it.
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    Expecting a company headed by Kinoko "don't worry female gamers, Extella isn't that hard" Nasu to be good with LGBT representation is a big mistake.

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    If Saber and Shirou got married... Would that make Shirou the Queen of Britain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriulio View Post
    Expecting a company headed by Kinoko "don't worry female gamers, Extella isn't that hard" Nasu to be good with LGBT representation is a big mistake.
    Wait, can you expand on what exactly he said about extella and female gamers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mami-kouga View Post
    Wait, can you expand on what exactly he said about extella and female gamers?
    "Also since the series thankfully has so many female fans, it's fundamentally a game that anyone can enjoy if they try. We're making it a game that 10 out of 10 players will be able to clear."

    Quote Originally Posted by celsius View Post
    If Saber and Shirou got married... Would that make Shirou the Queen of Britain?

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    Oh, yikes...
    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    Really, all 3 of the romances in F/SN are 'for want of a nail' kind of situations.
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    You mean because Shirou winds up falling for the first of the three that he Nailed?
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    That's only offensive if you make it out to be. Which this being the Internet, of course people will.
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    It's like with centaur girls, you're fucking a horse. Sure the human part is the one that moans but your dick is in the horse, no way around it.
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    boytoy angst > fulfilling life of misanthropic extremist environmentalism
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    ladies, he's single
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    Yeah, but that's because he's got more issues than National Geographic.
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    And you don't? It is a fairly offensive and dated view to express.
    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    Really, all 3 of the romances in F/SN are 'for want of a nail' kind of situations.
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    You mean because Shirou winds up falling for the first of the three that he Nailed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    That's only offensive if you make it out to be.
    It absolutely is offensive, my dude
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    He's just putting the bone of his sword into other people until it explodes and lets out parts of him inside them.
    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerEmiya View Post
    Genderswaps are terrible, but I think I and other people would hate them less if Fate didn't keep ignoring actual heroines throughout history and folklore. Like, why bother turning Francis Drake into a woman when Ching Shih and Grace O'Malley exist?
    Quote Originally Posted by Five_X View Post
    Fate Zero is just Fate Stay Night for people who think Shirou is too girly

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    Fate/Extra is arguably an otome game.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart View Post
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    i mean expecting japan of all countries to contribute to lgbt is a mistake, religious countries in general don't vibe with these topics

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    There are many reasons that Japan is a fairly conservative country, at least among the upper echelons of society, but religion is a fairly minor reason. Also, the general public is more ambivalent towards LGBTQ+ issues than their media and political figures, often tending towards uncertainly supportive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asterism42 View Post
    It absolutely is offensive, my dude
    It wouldn't have been offensive if he simply said Extella is a game that 10 out of 10 players from any demographic may enjoy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    Really, all 3 of the romances in F/SN are 'for want of a nail' kind of situations.
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    You mean because Shirou winds up falling for the first of the three that he Nailed?
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    I speak for the majority of important people* *a category comprised entirely of myself

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafflesiac View Post
    Fate/Extra is arguably an otome game.
    Gets me hoping that Record expands more on interactions with Julius and Leo, particularly as Hakunon. Weird that they weren't shown at all in trailers.
    Last edited by OnesFleetingGlory; September 23rd, 2021 at 01:26 PM.
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    Record so far

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    Quote Originally Posted by asterism42 View Post
    It absolutely is offensive, my dude
    Only if you interpret "we made a game male and female fans can enjoy" and "10 out of 10 people will be able to clear it" (two different sentences separated by a period) to mean "we made the game easy so girls can play it".
    Which is not necessarily what he was trying to say at all.
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    It's like with centaur girls, you're fucking a horse. Sure the human part is the one that moans but your dick is in the horse, no way around it.
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    boytoy angst > fulfilling life of misanthropic extremist environmentalism
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    ladies, he's single
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    Yeah, but that's because he's got more issues than National Geographic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    Only if you interpret "we made a game male and female fans can enjoy" and "10 out of 10 people will be able to clear it" (two different sentences separated by a period) to mean "we made the game easy so girls can play it".
    Which is not necessarily what he was trying to say at all.
    He could have just said the former, then, without implying anything about difficulty. That he felt the need to say that at all isn't great.
    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    Really, all 3 of the romances in F/SN are 'for want of a nail' kind of situations.
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    You mean because Shirou winds up falling for the first of the three that he Nailed?
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    Remember, Nasu isn't a game dev, he's a writer. Extella is, even within the reference frame of musou games, piss easy. So he was either impressed enough that he felt the need to say it (wouldn't surprise me if people broken telephoned the "Extra rock paper scissors system isn't fun" to "Extra is too hard!" ) or, equally likely, it was part of a list of features they gave him to bring up.

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    I'm hardly above sniping some of Nasu's more questionable decisions, but this seems like taking the worst possible interpretation of what he said and running with it.

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    Consider the following: When you hear "we made a game girls can enjoy", your default interpreration is "we made a game that's really easy so even girls can clear it". When, famous Mobile Game Scenario Writer Kinoko Nasu says it, what he probably means is "we added more shota screentime to the game so Y.Aoi has something to screech about on Twitter".
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    boytoy angst > fulfilling life of misanthropic extremist environmentalism
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    ladies, he's single
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    Yeah, but that's because he's got more issues than National Geographic.
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    Well, in terms of story Extella doesn't really appeal to women in the slightest, with the exception of lesbians with a macro fetish
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    He's just putting the bone of his sword into other people until it explodes and lets out parts of him inside them.
    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerEmiya View Post
    Genderswaps are terrible, but I think I and other people would hate them less if Fate didn't keep ignoring actual heroines throughout history and folklore. Like, why bother turning Francis Drake into a woman when Ching Shih and Grace O'Malley exist?
    Quote Originally Posted by Five_X View Post
    Fate Zero is just Fate Stay Night for people who think Shirou is too girly

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    It has about 300% more playable dudes than Extra, that's gotta count for something.

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    More like 500%, but anyway.
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    It's like with centaur girls, you're fucking a horse. Sure the human part is the one that moans but your dick is in the horse, no way around it.
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    boytoy angst > fulfilling life of misanthropic extremist environmentalism
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    ladies, he's single
    Quote Originally Posted by OverMaster View Post
    Yeah, but that's because he's got more issues than National Geographic.
    Quote Originally Posted by Araya's Dry Cleaner View Post
    You can rage, but there is no waifu communism.

    You are not getting government-handout waifus.


    Once and always and nevermore.

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