Fate/Grand Order Story and Lore (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[fumei]

Why do people think there's going to be a literal traitor? I'm probably missing info from Lb6 or whatever but isn't this the same situation as Holmes suspecting Romani?

I fully expect the untrustworthy person, whoever it is, to not only be on our side but also that their secret will ultimately help us win.

I think it's just the natural conclusion to the wording of it. Holmes was suspicious of Romani, but if it really came down to it (which it did), Romani was to be trusted with sensitive information (more so than him revealing everything back to us, which isn't relevant in this case either). "Romani/Goetia" specifically told us not to share sensitive information with this "someone not to be trusted". Unless "Romani/Goetia" want us to withhold that information for their own gain, the only reason why "a person not to be trusted" shouldn't be given sensitive information that could come back to bite you in the ass, is because it will be used to make sure it comes back and bite you in the ass. If it turns out whoever this person may be is just hiding some secret that ultimately isn't harmful to us and they'll just pull a Romani 2.0, then it wouldn't matter whether they're given this sensitive information or not.

I just see it as the explanation that requires way less mental gymnastics to make sense. Couple that with the insane amount of hints towards Holmes "bad" that we're getting (again, assuming that's not just red herrings because that requires MORE mental gymnastics to make sense), the idea is that Holmes will do anything in his power to protect PHH, and the fact that it's brought up the way it is almost implies that we (as Gudao) might end up putting that goal at risk in the very end, hence he'll have to betray us. That's about the simplest theory that's around atm.

[Kirishima]

Koyanskaya said she'll come back to finish what she started if we fail in lb7. Obviously this means she is going to come out of her egg and save us at the last moment, where we have giant koyanskaya mecha fight vs ORT. It's going to be kino. Trust me on this.

[Laserman]

I don't know why y'all want Koyan to die so bad. Personally, so long as her threat is neutralized, I don't care. That, and I am sympathetic to the Life Zone and her goals there.

This isn't a question I would expect from you tbh.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

This isn't a question I would expect from you tbh.

My priorities have changed over the past year.

[Deathhappens]

Da Ji swore to curse Taigong forever, you call that a love?

In a way, yeah.

[Lily Emilio]

Koyanskaya said she'll come back to finish what she started if we fail in lb7. Obviously this means she is going to come out of her egg and save us at the last moment, where we have giant koyanskaya mecha fight vs ORT. It's going to be kino. Trust me on this.

Nah long ago Nasu said we need Ultraman to beat ORT. We already got Ultra Olgamarie. We're good.

[Deathhappens]

Rocking what seems to be a somewhat unpopular opinion, hereabouts and elsewhere, but I actually liked this chapter and its conclusion. It's no LB6, but I didn't find myself wanting as a result of it.

I shall admit to a touch of bias for the romantic ideals of space traversal and colonization, the ethereal and indeterminacies of indefinitely eons-long cold sleep whilst waiting to arrive at that suitable new home ever-so far from hometown Earth.

Even putting the conclusion aside, the event didn't overstay its welcome. It was straightforward, concise, perhaps too concise, unless there're future plans for Taikoubou and Dobryny. But, even if there aren't, I can appreciate the restraint needed to leave some elements of the two Riders vague, like with the truth behind Dobrynya's deal. Good thing I don't have a real horse in that race, I wouldn't wanna look a gift white-haired cat girl in the mouth.

I'm super convinced that THE DOT 2.0/6.5??? will have absolutely nothing to do with what transpired in Tunguska. At least, until the possibility that I'm proven wrong by whatever comes of the upcoming 12.31 epilogue. Until then, the incident is seemingly resolved most cleanly.

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Alright, this is a fair criticism, but as it is I still found myself unambiguously satisfied with the outcome, even taking into account the compelling nature of the what-could-have-beens involving more Gordolfiness up in this story.

I believe I can sympathize, somewhat, but Vitch isn't a traveller out into the great beyond. She's an exile.

[alienncoww]

So in the end what's the connection between Amaterasu and Daji?

[Lily Emilio]

Golden Fox.

[Aozaki-desu]

Da Ji swore to curse Taigong forever, you call that a love?

eternal hate is the closest thing to it, arguably equally powerful

[Reign]

I don't think traitor Holmes will be evil or anything, but I think there will come a point where his goals/morals and Chaldea's no longer align so he does something to stop us. There was an interlude where Moriarty basically spells that out to Guda.

[Comun]

So in the end what's the connection between Amaterasu and Daji?

Same fox, different humans. Think how Rama, Buddha, and Krishna are all avatars of Vishnu.

EDIT: Oh, I misread as Tamamo and Daji. Well, I guess the answer is still clear from that.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

I'll be honest, am I the only one who liked this resolution to Koyanskaya's plot who also didn't appreciate the romanticism of sending her to space? I've never felt the majesty of space exploration and colonization both due to the vastness of space scaring me and because it's just colonialism in space.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

I don't think traitor Holmes will be evil or anything, but I think there will come a point where his goals/morals and Chaldea's no longer align so he does something to stop us. There was an interlude where Moriarty basically spells that out to Guda.

Holmes is a defender of the status quo above all else, and I think Holmes and us will part ways once we deprioritize its preservation and pursue our personal goals. I think this might also be related to when Galahad lends his full power to Mash, since going against Holmes' goals might also double as going against Chaldea's goals.

[tsugumi]

I'll be honest, am I the only one who liked this resolution to Koyanskaya's plot who also didn't appreciate the romanticism of sending her to space? I've never felt the majesty of space exploration and colonization both due to the vastness of space scaring me and because it's just colonialism in space.

There's nothing morally wrong with colonizing a truly empty place devoid of life. The actual problem is that bad people will become even more impossibly rich as a result of it.

[VTKajin]

I'll be honest, am I the only one who liked this resolution to Koyanskaya's plot who also didn't appreciate the romanticism of sending her to space? I've never felt the majesty of space exploration and colonization both due to the vastness of space scaring me and because it's just colonialism in space.

Colonization would imply that Koyanskaya is a conqueror and not a refugee.

[fumei]

I'll be honest, am I the only one who liked this resolution to Koyanskaya's plot who also didn't appreciate the romanticism of sending her to space? I've never felt the majesty of space exploration and colonization both due to the vastness of space scaring me and because it's just colonialism in space.

That's not what colonialism is, first of all, but I don't care that it's about space. What makes me happy for her is that she escaped the world that held all the things she so hated, and that's nice because her misanthropy really speaks to me.

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I don't think traitor Holmes will be evil or anything, but I think there will come a point where his goals/morals and Chaldea's no longer align so he does something to stop us. There was an interlude where Moriarty basically spells that out to Guda.

If nothing else, I'm sort of bewildered by all the people currently throwing tantrums because Koyan's twist wasn't hinted at enough which makes it BAD, but at the same time are sitting here saying that if Holmes (or anyone, for that matter) turns out to be a traitor it's also BAD, even though it's been hinted at SO MUCH at this point it's almost unbearably on the nose.

[DrStein]

I don't like that someone who is both blatantly evil and, to me, entirely unsympathetic, is getting rewarded like she deserves a good ending.

I have more sympathy for Kiara, or even Goetia, since they actually underwent suffering before going crazy.

Koyan is using the suffering of animals she never even met as an excuse to kill people for entertainment.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

I'm also happy for Koyan for those reasons, but the reason I say it's colonialist is that it follows the logic of finding new untouched land to settle and mold to your liking. Said logic is very colonialist and ignores who might potentially be there on that land.

[pinetree]

Koyan is using the suffering of animals she never even met as an excuse to kill people for entertainment.

She's literally made out of animal suffering.