Fate/Grand Order Story and Lore (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[InsertNameHere]

Read Comun's follow up post after that one, but the TL;DR is Chaldeas was a tool use to observe the world up to 100 years into the future to make sure human civilization continue it's development without problem. So Olga is thrown inside Chaldeas on the year 2016 and then spends the follow up 100 observable years inside been experimented on.

But how could the simulation then directly change the outside reality? They should still remain separate from one another barring some kind of ability to forcibly merge the two.

[Lily Emilio]

We literally have a whole setting based on simulation and calculation of an alien supercomputer on the Moon that can project its simulation into reality to alter it.

[Comun]

But how could the simulation then directly change the outside reality? They should still remain separate from one another barring some kind of ability to forcibly merge the two.

Check Melty Blood Actress Again for the details on the mechanism, but essentially it's a thing we already seen with every Reality Marble ever.

[Laserman]

In Extella Link, he pretty fights some of the strongest Servants in the series and does pretty damn well against them all things considered.

Yes, he does do that.

Of course, he can't do a damn thing to Artoria in the same game

He can take her, I just know it!

Scathath

That time made no sense, man.

[yokushi]

But how could the simulation then directly change the outside reality? They should still remain separate from one another barring some kind of ability to forcibly merge the two.

Yeah, that's exactly what the Fantasy Trees have been doing, like that's the entire plot of Part 2. The Lostbelts were simulated inside the Fantasy Trees and then directly changed the outside reality.

[Nanaya]

But how could the simulation then directly change the outside reality? They should still remain separate from one another barring some kind of ability to forcibly merge the two.

MB laid down the concept. Trap reality within fantasy. It's the old world egg theory. Switch the inside and exterior.

[Elecrom]

Regarding Subject E
I'm not convinced that it has anything to do with Olga simply because it was stressed that Subject E was a Tree-like lifeform so it would make not much sense.
Sure she could have transformed while falling into Chaldeas but we have no reason to think she has.

[InsertNameHere]

Yeah, that's exactly what the Fantasy Trees have been doing, like that's the entire plot of Part 2. The Lostbelts were simulated inside the Fantasy Trees and then directly changed the outside reality.

That doesn't explain what happened to the original elements of said reality. They couldn't have just vanished outright, if the marble is broken then the effects would be reverted like nothing happened.

Regarding Subject E
I'm not convinced that it has anything to do with Olga simply because it was stressed that Subject E was a Tree-like lifeform so it would make not much sense.
Sure she could have transformed while falling into Chaldeas but we have no reason to think she has.

Plus, the initial effects of the bleaching (CHALDEAS showing humanity disappearing by 2017) manifested before Olga fell into CHALDEAS and possibly before Marisbury even finished CHALDEAS itself. I know that reversing causality has been done before in the Nasuverse, but not on this scale. And now that we've actually seen Subject E and can recognize it as a completely ordinary tree root, the whole thing is even more suspicious. At minimum, someone switched it out for a fake.

[yokushi]

Well, at this point is totally obvious that there is a whole theme in Part 2 about fiction eroding reality. What we have to know is the details of how exactly works and how is related to the Animusphere.

[InsertNameHere]

Well, at this point is totally obvious that there is a whole theme in Part 2 about fiction eroding reality. What we have to know is the details of how exactly works and how is related to the Animusphere.

And how to reverse the process. Even given what little we know, there's nothing that indicates that the process is truly irreversible. Even Galahad's spiel in Lostroom only implied that it couldn't be prevented before it happened, he said nothing about it being impossible to undo.

[NMR-3]

I like what I've heard about the "generic" heroes/ heroic spirits whose names were forgotten by history in LB 6.5.

[Reign]

It does sound neat. Like there's apparently one dude who was a soldier who fought alongside Jeanne and Gilles but he can't even remember his own name anymore.

[Comun]

No, all Servants remember their own names, it's just that the Phantom-grades (and even some of the Heroic Spirit-grades) follow a custom of not revealing theirs because not being recognized by fellow Servants is bad for morale, and in a war where new Servants appear and die on a daily basis, it's hard to bother remembering your comrade-in-arms' names.

[Reign]

Hm, thinking on the Subject E 100 years thing, while I definitely agree with the theories about Bluebook being from the future or Chaldeas or an alternate timeline or something, it's probably worth noting that apparently the location that is now Area 51 was once a mine until operations stopped in 1918. That's almost exactly 100 years before, if GO is still in 2017.

[Lily Emilio]

Regarding Subject E
I'm not convinced that it has anything to do with Olga simply because it was stressed that Subject E was a Tree-like lifeform so it would make not much sense.
Sure she could have transformed while falling into Chaldeas but we have no reason to think she has.

So far Subject E is the source of this 6.5 singularity. It is implied that it's different from Olga, but also related to Olga in that she said she is here becuz one of her kind got mistreatment by humans (implying specimen E, if we assume Alien god is indeed "alien"). Thus the narrative, if we were to believe in Alien god, is that it's here due to us experimenting on specimen E. Olga is a body it took anyways (planning to take ORT next), so we actually don't know what it originally looks like, or even have a form at all.

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Hm, thinking on the Subject E 100 years thing, while I definitely agree with the theories about Bluebook being from the future or Chaldeas or an alternate timeline or something, it's probably worth noting that apparently the location that is now Area 51 was once a mine until operations stopped in 1918. That's almost exactly 100 years before, if GO is still in 2017.

I've seen some comments about E being found that caused the mine to close down and the experiment was done there long before Area 51 is officially established in the records. It would also be 10 years after the Tunguska meteor happened, and Koyan is one of those who knows about alien god's true nature so it might be related. The relation between Russia and USA aliens is also big key in the alien astronauts community.

[Hermitfold]

This whole thing is giving me major Roundworld vibes.

It's sounding like Chaldeas was a simulation of Earth designed to create a Type-Earth knockoff for the Animuspheres, but Olga got sucked in and became said knockoff, got tortured for 100 years, went crazy, wiped humanity and then came outside to repeat same.

[Comun]

The known facts so far are:
- The experiments on E started in 2016 (Bluebook's narration, Atlantis)
- The experiments on E continued for 100 years (Moriarty, Traum chapter 22)

[Reign]

Here's Rayshift's TL of the Area 51 scene

[Lobo]

Hm, thinking on the Subject E 100 years thing, while I definitely agree with the theories about Bluebook being from the future or Chaldeas or an alternate timeline or something, it's probably worth noting that apparently the location that is now Area 51 was once a mine until operations stopped in 1918. That's almost exactly 100 years before, if GO is still in 2017.

Bluebook on Atlantis prologue says that E crashed on New Mexico not Nevada on 2016, got freezed by Air Force and relocated to Area 51 where the experiments began all on the same year. So I don't think the history of Area 51 and that mine will be relevant at all.

[Lily Emilio]

The known facts so far are:
- The experiments on E started in 2016 (Bluebook's narration, Atlantis)
- The experiments on E continued for 100 years (Moriarty, Traum chapter 22)

Bluebook on Atlantis prologue says that E crashed on New Mexico not Nevada on 2016, got freezed by Air Force and relocated to Area 51 where the experiments began all on the same year. So I don't think the history of Area 51 and that mine will be relevant at all.

Moriarty said: 100年前に地球に落ちてきたとされる生命体。(100 years AGO)

The singularity is in 2017. Hence the going backwards to 1918. This is specifically about the "specimen E in the singularity's Area 51". We don't know how it will connect to Bluebook's account of specimen E yet.