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Thread: Fate/Grand Order Story and Lore (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raineh Daze View Post
    True Ancestors are fairies by definition.

    Ergo, in a world where you don't have true ancestors through some lunar compact, if there's some vaguely a-ray related thing, it'd fall to the relevant elementals.
    I don't think this really explains it, though. Yes, we know that True Ancestors by definition are fairies ("great fairies", as it were), and that big fairies like that in turn are a type of Elemental or Nature Spirit. They're an extension of the planet.

    In that sense, obviously the True Ancestors, made through a pact with Crimson Moon in order for Gaia to defend itself, and the Six Fairies who worked in Avalon to craft the Last Phantasm to protect the planet itself from alien threats, are both "the same".

    Where it becomes weird, in my opinion, is when you have Oberon explain what an a-rei (亜鈴) is:

    Genuine fae are those that come from the inner sea of the planet, disconnected from human civilization.
    Those born in the inner sea of the planet are known in the world of magecraft as "Great Fathers" or "Great Mothers".
    You can think of them like... something like bunrei of the planet's soul, or something to that extent.
    They're on the same scope as divinity who personify nature, but unlike those gods, they're not clothed in human rules.
    Great Fathers and Mothers are pure, transcendent existences.
    Fae of these ranks who appear on the surface on a mission from the planet are known in this Lostbelt as "
    A-Rei
    Sub-bells
    ".
    "A-Rei" are Great Mother-class fae who have come into "a will of their own",
    their own truth...the essence of a fairy like that is capable of reshaping the world as they see fit.
    This is the fairy's territory. The greatest Mystery possessed by powerful fairies.
    Furthermore, just by existing, A-Rei increase their number of terminals, called "offspring".
    These offspring are the "Children of the Forest" or the "Children of the Stone", and make up the greater majority of the fairies in the fairy kingdom these days.
    Compared to an A-Rei, their power is infinitesimal, but offspring are still offspring.

    This is followed by Da Vinci saying:

    Hmm. Is the term "A-Rei" unique to this Lostbelt?
    They sound similar to what we call things like "Elemental" or "True Ancestor".

    Here we can obviously see a lot of similarities between True Ancestors and the A-rei just at a quick glance. A-Rei are "Great Fathers/Mothers", much like how TA are "Great Fairies". They have the power to "reshape the world as they see fit" (Fairy Territories and Marble Phantasm respectively).
    But we also see some stuff that doesn't seem to really apply to both. TA don't reproduce in the same way, nor are they bunrei of the planet's soul (although tied to nature and acting as extension of the planet).

    In other words, just in LB6 we can tell that, just like Da Vinci says, TA and A-Rei are similar, but not the exact same. Then comes Archetype's profile and complicates this by not saying that she's just an A-Rei (or A-Ray, outside of the Lostbelt, though as to what extent the naming there really matters, who knows), but that she's an 亜麗真種, or "True Species of A-Ray". So what does that really mean? What is a "True Species" even (again, not sure if this shows up in TsukiRe)? Because to me, it feels like TA would count as less "true species" than something like the Six Fairies, because of the moon contract.

    But either way, we now have two clauses:
    1) A-Rei and TA are similar, but not the same, and
    2) Arc(hetype) is a TA and an
    A-Rei
    A-Ray
    (True Species)
    but no more info than that.

    I would think it's most likely that A-Ray/A-Rei encompasses all those "great fairies" that are the closest to the planet out of all the fairies and nature spirits/elementals (hence why actual A-Rei are bunrei of the planet's soul and not just extensions of nature), but that TA classify more as some sort of sub-category of them, being similar with some smaller differences because of the fact that they aren't "genuine", but who knows really.
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    But do True Ancestors not reproduce inferior copies? That's where we get Dead Apostles from.

    They just do it by nomming people rather than spontaneous creation.

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    then we have Yu-paisen, the most complete organism on the earth.

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    That would be Tiamat. Perfect being without any physical or mythical flaws.

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    Archetype:Earth being Earth's bunrei does explain a lot about her (also fits her Regression to the Age of Gods metric).

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    It's interesting as well that she has that divine crown/halo that many gods seem to have (Olympus Terminals, Koya, Kama, Stheno/Euryale.. etc.) interesting touch but I think it works, especially with the bunrei stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fumei View Post
    True Species
    I'm fairly certain 真種 ('True Species'?) has never shown up anywhere.
    Most interesting to me is that 亜麗真種 (A-Ray True Species) is obviously very close to 亜麗百種 (A-Ray Hundred Subspecies).

    In Notes, the humans (known as the '人間種' in that story) fight against the A-Rays who are contending for 霊長の座 (the Paragon Seat), meaning that in some sense, the whole point of the True Ancestors, and the A-Rays start to sort of come together: they're beings who can contest humanity's supremacy.

    That said, it does make me wonder what the distinction is here. Are the A-Rays of notes (the Hundred Subspecies ones) supposed to be an imitation of the True Species? After all, the Planet is dead in Notes, so were the A-Rays some sort of artificial attempt at creating Gaian beings?
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    Maybe A-ray is just anything the planet produces from the inner sea to resolve a mission, and TAs are Crimson-Moon based A-rays by that definition

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    Would be really helpful if we knew whether Hinako counts as an A-ray or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fumei View Post
    Would be really helpful if we knew whether Hinako counts as an A-ray or not.
    she will never answer that even if we bought her some breads.

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    She already forgot about her past and her purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raineh Daze View Post
    Honestly, the fact we got Arc-Arc and not some pseudo-Arc or Arc with a weird personality

    That's enough.
    And that it's Arc from the future (by our standards anyway, I believe it's specified she's from three years after the Rainbow at Night route).

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    Quote Originally Posted by InsertNameHsre View Post
    And that it's Arc from the future (by our standards anyway, I believe it's specified she's from three years after the Rainbow at Night route).
    That's only 2nd ascension.
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    The route is not specified, it says "after a certain route".

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    It could be that route, but it's also possible it's a Arc True route we don't have yet, and it obviously can't be any far side routes because she remembers Shiki. 99% chance its one of those two routes though

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    The fact she has no lines for Yu is also weird ngl.

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    Who does she have lines for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reign View Post
    Who does she have lines for?
    Here you go https://apps.atlasacademy.io/db/JP/servant/351/voices

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    So forgive me if this was mentioned in some other thread, but does the sword Arc gets in her 3rd Ascension ever get mentioned anywhere? Her lines, maybe, because I don't think anything is written on it in her profile.

    It resembles Excalibur a lot, so I guess it's a reference to the fact that the A-rei created Excalibur and Arc is now confirmed to be an A-rei?

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    Petri wonders if it might be Real Of The World in the remake thread

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