Thread: Fate/Grand Order Story and Lore (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mami-kouga View Post
    "So do you plan to meet the expectations of your new female and young fans?" "Lol, girls play this game??" And on to the next question. The game is very obviously written with male players most of the time so the lack of a real answer was kind of annoying
    A non-answer is the best answer to give in that situation, imo. You can either go corporate and say yes, which will end up being a lie and upset people; say no, look bad to corporate and upset people, or give a non-answer and let the work speak for itself.

    Nasu seems to have enough self-awareness to not say something stupid, and men still make up the (perceived?) majority of the game playing audience.
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    I find it oddly hilarious that, after all their hype, it turns out most of the Crypters wouldn't even make it past Part 1, and of the two who do, one can't even complete Shinjuku, and the other can only make it as far as Lostbelt 2 or 3.

    Though I do wonder why some are assuming it's because Ritsuka is some special snowflake and not because most of the Crypters have bad personalities (which we've seen can make or break Master/Servant teams).

    I mean, that's my best guess unless it's revealed Ritsuka has some ridiculous Origin like "Bonds" or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FourthWall View Post
    A non-answer is the best answer to give in that situation, imo. You can either go corporate and say yes, which will end up being a lie and upset people; say no, look bad to corporate and upset people, or give a non-answer and let the work speak for itself.

    Nasu seems to have enough self-awareness to not say something stupid, and men still make up the (perceived?) majority of the game playing audience.
    Or he could actually make attempts to meet female fans expectations. Even an "I'll do my best" would have been preferable

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    Quote Originally Posted by mami-kouga View Post
    Or he could actually make attempts to meet female fans expectations. Even an "I'll do my best" would have been preferable
    That's just lipservice.

    Nasu has grappled with making better female characters for years. He pointed out the Strong Female Character problem his heroines had while being praised for writing good heroines. Fate has picked up a young fanbase and a female fanbase just by being itself. The writing being male-focused still has enough wriggle room to work with Gudako. Hell, more people like Gudako, even with the game's male-focused dialogue.

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    Nasu joking away the big questions is so Nasu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Man View Post
    I find it oddly hilarious that, after all their hype, it turns out most of the Crypters wouldn't even make it past Part 1, and of the two who do, one can't even complete Shinjuku, and the other can only make it as far as Lostbelt 2 or 3.

    Though I do wonder why some are assuming it's because Ritsuka is some special snowflake and not because most of the Crypters have bad personalities (which we've seen can make or break Master/Servant teams).

    I mean, that's my best guess unless it's revealed Ritsuka has some ridiculous Origin like "Bonds" or something.
    Kinoko never said crypters are weak or something, if you played part 2 you sure know about that.

    Guda is special because he/she has Mashu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmADo VII View Post
    Guda is special because he/she has Mashu.

    yes as you can see in the babylon anime, it's all about "dat booty"
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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Man View Post
    I find it oddly hilarious that, after all their hype, it turns out most of the Crypters wouldn't even make it past Part 1, and of the two who do, one can't even complete Shinjuku, and the other can only make it as far as Lostbelt 2 or 3.

    Though I do wonder why some are assuming it's because Ritsuka is some special snowflake and not because most of the Crypters have bad personalities (which we've seen can make or break Master/Servant teams).

    I mean, that's my best guess unless it's revealed Ritsuka has some ridiculous Origin like "Bonds" or something.
    Or you know, there's something else stopping them from going through part 2, since we still don't know all the facts about the crypters and Marisbilly or Daybit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmADo VII View Post
    Kinoko never said crypters are weak or something, if you played part 2 you sure know about that.

    Guda is special because he/she has Mashu.
    When did I ever say they were weak? I know they're strong. Hell, Hinako/Consort Yu is the last boss of the third Lostbelt, Ophelia has that ridiculously OP eye, Pepe can fight on the level of Servants despite being a modern human, Beryl might be a freaking werewolf, God only knows what is up with Daybit, and Kirschtaria is some super prodigy.

    I just find it hilarious that these super OP peeps would mostly fail at a task that was handled by someone whose sole greatest strength is he/she rolls natural 20s on his/her diplomacy checks with Servants. That's why I figure the Crypters' big problem is probably that (most of them) they have bad personalities. Or perhaps it'd be better to say their personalities are a bad match for the situations that the player character encountered?

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    Or you know, there's something else stopping them from going through part 2, since we still don't know all the facts about the crypters and Marisbilly or Daybit.
    Except Nasu outright states most of them don't even make through Part 1. And of the two who do, Nasu only specifically calls out Kirschtaria as being unable to complete Part 2 because he's a Crypter. Daybit doesn't even make it to Part 2.

    So that excuse only flies for Kirschtaria. The others have issues unrelated to being Crypters that trips them up. My personal theory is their personalities have bad compatibility with most Servants, or at least with the Servant's encountered in the Singularities.

    That or each of them is too willing to go all "traditional magus" when it comes to their objectives.

    Amado's post got me thinkjng. Didn't Kadoc mention if it had been the Crypters they would have surely sacrificed Mashu somewhere along the way while completing the Singularities? I seem to recall Goetia wanted to get Mashu to agree with him to quell the few voices in their collective who questioned whether or not their plan was the correct choice. If Mashu got sacrificed earlier on, maybe he would have gone all-out sooner? In that case, Mashu really would be what made Guda/ko 'special'.

    That has a kind of poetic feel to it. Pepe mentioned the Crypters would have inevitably turned on humanity because they are essentially outcasts. It feels like a very "Nasu" thing to do to have it be that their "weakness" when trying to restore the Human Order is their own inhumanity.

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    Kadoc lacks protag power
    Ophelia was mentally broken from beginning
    Paisen is being Paisen, she doesn't care about humanity
    Pepe has given up on everything
    Beril is unknown even Kinoko didn't say much about him

    for Daybit's case it would be over when he cleared last singularity/restore humanity. maybe he will turn against humanity after knowing about alien god.

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    See, the thing about Shinjuku is that it's actually stupidly easy to "clear" and it's specifically just because Guda's an overly good person that it's difficult. If you abandon the singularity and rayshift back to Chaldea, you win! The psuedo-singularity gets destroyed, but it doesn't actually matter in the grand scheme of things.

    Things get trickier in Agartha and Salem, but Shinjuku's only an issue if you refuse to leave the people inside to die.

    I guess they might also just be straight fucked in CCC, but I dunno how much weight collab events have in the interview question.

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    Kirsch would absolutely have gotten eaten by Kiara, and the Egos wouldn't have bothered time travelling to save him
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    would be funny if Daybit casually revealing disguised Kiara.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Man View Post
    I find it oddly hilarious that, after all their hype, it turns out most of the Crypters wouldn't even make it past Part 1, and of the two who do, one can't even complete Shinjuku, and the other can only make it as far as Lostbelt 2 or 3.
    If you are reading that as Daybit can't clear Shinjuku, I think you are reading it wrong. I don't even think Nasu is taking EoR into account here, it's just that for some reason Daybit would be unable to do anything against what Part 2 is about.

    And with Wodime he already says it's because being a Crypter means you can't do it. He would try and fail midway because of that.

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    Servants can relate themselves more easily to normal people, so I think it's not about Crypter has bad personality, but the problem is the personality of most hardcore mages in general
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    Quote Originally Posted by yokushi View Post
    If you are reading that as Daybit can't clear Shinjuku, I think you are reading it wrong. I don't even think Nasu is taking EoR into account here, it's just that for some reason Daybit would be unable to do anything against what Part 2 is about.

    And with Wodime he already says it's because being a Crypter means you can't do it. He would try and fail midway because of that.
    I also interpreted it as Nasu ignoring EoR here, to be honest.

    On the other hand, been wondering how this information will feed the whole "Daybit is looping part 2" theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by savepoints View Post
    On the other hand, been wondering how this information will feed the whole "Daybit is looping part 2" theory.
    Huh? Like he's in a time loop?

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    I also interpreted it as Nasu ignoring EoR here, to be honest.

    On the other hand, been wondering how this information will feed the whole "Daybit is looping part 2" theory.
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    Huh? Like he's in a time loop?
    My first time hearing about this theory too. What exactly are the conspiracy theorists suggesting?

    Nasu ignoring EoR is kind of weird given their are two different Singularities there where the protagonist would be screwed without insane luck or being damn good at making friends. Seraphix is pretty much impossible to survive without getting the Alter-Egos to like you enough to time travel for your sake (Kiara stacked the deck pretty hard there) and you need Musashi to survive Shimousa at least initially.

    I can see Kirschtaria pulling it off. Guy apparently has freaking Zeus calling him a friend and managed to get two divine spirits to contract with him, so he's got some crazy charisma (and Musashi likes pretty boys). I couldn't imagine the others pulling it off, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wandering Swordwoman View Post
    Servants can relate themselves more easily to normal people, so I think it's not about Crypter has bad personality, but the problem is the personality of most hardcore mages in general
    Kirsch is best bro with Zeus and Daybit is being friendly with grand servant.

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    mmm, as I don't play the game and the only info I have of the plot is the posted here I can make a concrete opinion but is not that Guda and co. manage to clear Part 1 for a series of coincidences and luck along the way, encounter the necessary people and people going out of his way to help? sometime that only is possible because for starters Ritsuka doesn't have a lot of character and for that is more easy to him conect with others instead of people that have strong personalities? Is possible to clear part 1 brute forcing your way shounen style?

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