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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxAkito View Post
    "Vacant spot"
    I don't think Beasts really work like that anymore, and IMO we have the prospect of KYS of Darkness since KYS of Light is;
    1. "Of Light"
    2. No Cerny curses in sight
    She's not "Failed" yet she's still juvenile/larvae.
    Former Beast IV Candidate, it's stated quite clearly there and you are not privy to what happens in Avalon Le Fae, are you?

    Pretty sure she ended up using the power of the remainder of her tails to shield us from the curse power of cernnunos' hands so we could get within attacking range.
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    It should be Mors since Cerny is a carrion of a god, Mors=Death, Dead god etc. (Rip "Moth" theory, I liked it while it lasted).

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    Former Beast IV Candidate, it's stated quite clearly there and you are not privy to what happens in Avalon Le Fae, are you?
    ??? I was literally here answering questions for p1 and p2, then I got some p3 stuff slightly early because of DW's fuck-up. I'm one of the worst people to say I'm not "privy" to what happened in LB6, my Japanese may be shit but still. You do know the very end says a juvenile/larva beast has left LB6 right? You do know she tanks a shit ton of Cerny curses and has to take them into herself, purely because one of her only friends and people she felt obligated to, Muryan, asked her to? You do know that despite all of those, Koyanskaya of "Light" exists which obviously implies more. You do know Oberon gave her something right? etc. etc. I can go on. If you think her story is over you're heavily mistaken especially after Sion's implications at the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxAkito View Post
    It should be Mors since Cerny is a carrion of a god, Mors=Death, Dead god etc. (Rip "Moth" theory, I liked it while it lasted).



    ??? I was literally here answering questions for p1 and p2, then I read p3 slightly early because of DW's fuck-up. I'm one of the worst people to say I'm not "privy" to what happened in LB6, my Japanese may be shit but still. You do know the very end says a juvenile/larva beast has left LB6 right? You do know she tanks a shit ton of Cerny curses and has to take them into herself, purely because one of her only friends and people she felt obligated to, Muryan, asked her to? You do know that despite all of those, Koyanskaya of "Light" exists which obviously implies more. You do know Oberon gave her something right? etc. etc. I can go on. If you think her story is over you're heavily mistaken especially after Sion's implications at the end.
    Scene in question

    She is now back to almost square one, now I say FORMER Beast IV candidate, but that doesn't mean she is no longer a larvae beast, just probably going to miss the window for Beast IV, which leaves the OTHER possibility, that she becomes the catalyst for Beast V, Amaterasu.

    My apologies for my assumptions on that then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Lore Theorist View Post
    Former Beast IV Candidate, it's stated quite clearly there and you are not privy to what happens in Avalon Le Fae, are you?
    That is from the future, Light Koyan is from the future due to throne being beyond spacetime. As of now in the story she is still a Beast. At the end of the chapter we noticed her signal escaping the LB.

    Pretty sure she ended up using the power of the remainder of her tails to shield us from the curse power of cernnunos' hands so we could get within attacking range.
    None of that happened. She shielded the Storm Border from the curse barrages so we can escape to safety before Merlin contacted. She then had to absorb those curses and said it would be a problematic attribute for her down the line. She might even obtained Cerny's fur as well, as per a lot of speculations I've seen from the JP fanbase. And those were not her tails in the pic.

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    She even has lines talking about the future or we'll know later or whatever lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lily Emilio View Post
    That is from the future, Light Koyan is from the future due to throne being beyond spacetime. As of now in the story she is still a Beast. At the end of the chapter we noticed her signal escaping the LB.


    None of that happened. She shielded the Storm Border from the curse barrages so we can escape to safety before Merlin contacted. She then had to absorb those curses and said it would be a problematic attribute for her down the line. She might even obtained Cerny's fur as well, as per a lot of speculations I've seen from the JP fanbase. And those were not her tails in the pic.
    Then why are there five of them? yknow the number of tails she had at the time? Her tails are a direct show of her power, they were left crumbling away due to the curse energy she took in. (Which funny thing to note, it's somewhat fitting that she would get associated with curses, due to the Tamamo story which might also link her back to Amaterasu)
    Quote Originally Posted by MaxAkito View Post
    She even has lines talking about the future or we'll know later or whatever lol
    Which means she will likely miss the window for Beast IV, which leaves the bad news for her, possibly getting hijacked into becoming the catalyst for Beast V, Amaterasu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zork Knight View Post
    Speaking of
    Are Cernunnos's curse and the Mohs/Mors curse one and yhe same? If so how did Vortigern apoear as "King of Mohs/Mors" if Cernunnos is what's cockblocking him
    I thought only the Calamity of Norwich had the same type of curses as Cernunnos, given that it is an outgrowth of the latter's accumulated curses?

    Cernunnos was probably only cockblocking the Insect of the Abyss, and not Vortigern as the Mors King.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Lore Theorist View Post
    Then why are there five of them? yknow the number of tails she had at the time? Her tails are a direct show of her power, they were left crumbling away due to the curse energy she took in. (Which funny thing to note, it's somewhat fitting that she would get associated with curses, due to the Tamamo story which might also link her back to Amaterasu)


    Which means she will likely miss the window for Beast IV, which leaves the bad news for her, possibly getting hijacked into becoming the catalyst for Beast V, Amaterasu
    Also, I think your theories are steadily being disproven with the evidence we've got, and you need to maybe just calm down, regroup, and not just try to stubbornly fit your HCs into what has happened.

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    Actually, I just had a thought, but could the Nameless Fairy from very early in LB6 be a survivor of the Wing Clan, or maybe even the previous Muryan? Just a thought, and probably one that's not true at all.
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    Really, all 3 of the romances in F/SN are 'for want of a nail' kind of situations.
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    You mean because Shirou winds up falling for the first of the three that he Nailed?
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    Her name is Hope, not Nameless Fairy :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirGauoftheSquareTable View Post
    Also, I think your theories are steadily being disproven with the evidence we've got, and you need to maybe just calm down, regroup, and not just try to stubbornly fit your HCs into what has happened.
    Not quite disproved, more so slightly off the mark, why was Fou afraid of this LB? Avalon and Albion are two separate layers from the surface. Which would explain why he showed up there, but why would he avoid the surface unless there was something else there that he sensed that would track him like a hawk on the surface, I understand why Albion and Avalon would be able to hide his presence, but the point still stands, why was he avoiding the surface? You forget, that the beasts fully manifest in order from 1 to 7 and has been proven to be the case until otherwise deviates, Beast IV is next beast in line to fully emerge, whether it be Koyanskaya, an alternate Cath Palug, or whatever.

    I have already admitted my speculations about Cernnunos were a wash, Beast IV didn't appear in this LB, but that is not saying it won't spawn, just not in Avalon Le Fey
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxAkito View Post
    Her name is Hope, not Nameless Fairy
    My bad. I wasn't sure whether Hope was a fanname or not. Still, she does have wings, so she could have been a Wing Clan fairy?
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    Really, all 3 of the romances in F/SN are 'for want of a nail' kind of situations.
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    You mean because Shirou winds up falling for the first of the three that he Nailed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Lore Theorist View Post
    Then why are there five of them? yknow the number of tails she had at the time? Her tails are a direct show of her power, they were left crumbling away due to the curse energy she took in. (Which funny thing to note, it's somewhat fitting that she would get associated with curses, due to the Tamamo story which might also link her back to Amaterasu)
    She has 6 tails, can't you even count? One she innately has and 5 from the previous 5 lostbelts. The 5 tails are called "Lost Tails" unrelated to what she already had. In fact, the "weapon that destroy the world" Oberon promised her was Cerny's curse, as she stated. She was actually there not just to shield Chaldea, but to get the curse in the first place. She said she originally thought it was a world-destroying weapon, but Cerny curse is a curse that curses oneself and not the enemies, and thus absorbing it into herself would make it a bad attribute for her. Nothing state she lost any tails, nor losing power, she were actually powered up by absorbing the curse, but said curse is a double-edge sword that will backfire on her eventually when we fight her.

    Which means she will likely miss the window for Beast IV, which leaves the bad news for her, possibly getting hijacked into becoming the catalyst for Beast V, Amaterasu
    She retreated to her headquarter to initiate The Plan, which involves using Albion bones as inspiration to build a superweapon. Nothing is done with her yet. Whatever stated in Light's profile is a glimpse of future events where we beat her up, not that all are already done. Holmes was literally trying to get a signal on her Beast form because eventually Chaldea will have to face her, but she jammed all of Chaldea's devices. Nothing in the story suggesting she will be Beast V or lost her seat of IV whatsoever, period.

    I've seen much better theories being wrong (like the Miss Crane = demon pillar one), and the author of said theory conceded with just 1 simple post saying they had fun. You OTOH are acting pretty childish here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lily Emilio View Post
    She has 6 tails, can't you even count?
    She HAD 6 tails, which went down to 5 cause Milusine destroyed her 6th Tail remember? Let's leave insults at the door, shall we? I made a mistake earlier with an assumption and apologized to that person I made an assumption towards
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    Thanks for backing me up Emilio.

    @A Lore Theorist, I hoped you would calm down once most of your theory got jossed in Part III, but no, you've just doubled down and are performing some next-level mental gymnastics to try and justify it, even if those justifications are directly contradicted by evidence from canon. I get it, it seemed like a good theory when we were entering LB6, and it might even have been fun if it were true, but it isn't, and what we got was fairly good anyway, and even if it wasn't, is it worth trying to maintain your theory over or even get that angry about? I'd think about that before you respond. This shit is how conspiracism is born, anyhow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Lore Theorist View Post
    She HAD 6 tails, which went down to 5 cause Milusine destroyed her Sixth Tail remember?
    Still doesn't prove your point because she was never going to get 9 tails if she got one from each Lostbelt. Her failure is probably not the way you envision it.
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    Really, all 3 of the romances in F/SN are 'for want of a nail' kind of situations.
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    You mean because Shirou winds up falling for the first of the three that he Nailed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirGauoftheSquareTable View Post
    Thanks for backing me up Emilio.

    @A Lore Theorist, I hoped you would calm down once most of your theory got jossed in Part III, but no, you've just doubled down and are performing some next-level mental gymnastics to try and justify it, even if those justifications are directly contradicted by evidence from canon. I get it, it seemed like a good theory when we were entering LB6, and it might even have been fun if it were true, but it isn't, and what we got was fairly good anyway, and even if it wasn't, is it worth trying to maintain your theory over or even get that angry about? I'd think about that before you respond. This shit is how conspiracism is born, anyhow.

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    Still doesn't prove your point because she was never going to get 9 tails if she got one from each Lostbelt. Her failure is probably not the way you envision it.
    What even, dude, what is your problem? I admitted where I was specifically wrong, and not admitted to parts that HAVE not been proven to be wrong in others. What else do you want? I am not doubling down on anything, not making mental gymnastics, or whatever you are assuming.

    Also I read the lore, Alien God was going to be 8 and Fujimaru was going to be turned into the 9th? Like why is it, that I'm the one paying attention to the details that are laid out clear as freaking day and being told I'm somehow wrong with those, I even showed the proof on that point. "She has 6 tails!" Like what? She lost a tail in Part 2, like seriously now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lily Emilio View Post
    She has 6 tails, can't you even count? One she innately has and 5 from the previous 5 lostbelts. The 5 tails are called "Lost Tails" unrelated to what she already had. In fact, the "weapon that destroy the world" Oberon promised her was Cerny's curse, as she stated. She was actually there not just to shield Chaldea, but to get the curse in the first place. She said she originally thought it was a world-destroying weapon, but Cerny curse is a curse that curses oneself and not the enemies, and thus absorbing it into herself would make it a bad attribute for her. Nothing state she lost any tails, nor losing power, she were actually powered up by absorbing the curse, but said curse is a double-edge sword that will backfire on her eventually when we fight her.
    I actually entirely missed the idea that the "curse" was the weapon, sorta makes sense though, thanks.

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    I don't want to drag this out anymore, but I will point out that MaxAkito and Lily Emilio, two people that have read through Avalon le Fae pretty well, have pointed out that some of the evidence you cited is either partially or completely wrong.
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    Really, all 3 of the romances in F/SN are 'for want of a nail' kind of situations.
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    You mean because Shirou winds up falling for the first of the three that he Nailed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirGauoftheSquareTable View Post
    I don't want to drag this out anymore, but I will point out that MaxAkito and Lily Emilio, two people that have read through Avalon le Fae pretty well, have pointed out that some of the evidence you cited is either partially or completely wrong.
    Except it's literally stated that Milusine destroyed her 6th tail. Again, I've admitted the parts I got wrong, it was a single post of admission, literally my first post in a week of not having a computer on that. There are speculations that haven't had their doors shut, questions that are still left unanswered, etc.

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    Let me also be clear, @Lore Theorist, you also react very defensively and childishly if anyone even mildly questions your theories. I mean, spirited discussion over theories and plot points is very much the main source of activity on this thread, but generally, it's done in good fun, we concede to new evidence, and we move on with our lives. You do no such thing and never actually concede to being wrong when you are. That's not fun. I'm sorry I'm being a bit aggressive on this. I will just back off now.
    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    Really, all 3 of the romances in F/SN are 'for want of a nail' kind of situations.
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    You mean because Shirou winds up falling for the first of the three that he Nailed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirGauoftheSquareTable View Post
    Let me also be clear, @Lore Theorist, you also react very defensively and childishly if anyone even mildly questions your theories. I mean, spirited discussion over theories and plot points is very much the main source of activity on this thread, but generally, it's done in good fun, we concede to new evidence, and we move on with our lives. You do no such thing and never actually concede to being wrong when you are. That's not fun. I'm sorry I'm being a bit aggressive on this. I will just back off now.
    Except.... I did.
    Quote Originally Posted by A Lore Theorist View Post
    Sadly no Beast IV/White Beast of Gaia this time.

    Well I was off on my bit on that about Beast IV appearing, ah well, c'est la vie.(been in the middle of a move where I moved all my stuff and only a few days ago, set up my computer up again)
    I literally admitted to being wrong on the bits that were proven to be something else and you are accusing me that I didn't which is wrong that is the part I do get defensive about, because it's not true.

    So Alter Ego Koyanskaya is still around cool, she just burned a lot of her power she collected, which if the curse energy becomes too much, can erode even Phantom Beasts. Point is Beast IV is next on the block, Beast VII hasn't fully manifested by her own admission, the question of why Fou avoided setting foot on the surface of Avalon Le Fey is still left unanswered, like again, what else you want from me?

    My yin and yang division theory is currently sinking, the theory that beast IV was going to manifest in the lb was wrong, that Cath Palug would end up being turned out to be Cernnunos was wrong.

    Berserker Morgan wasn't a surprise to me, cause I was correct in that Morgan Le Fey WAS summoned in this LB, but turned out to be a little different, but not too surprising to me, I more raise an eyebrow at her being Ruler, like wait... doesn't being a Ruler mean you have no desire for the Holy Grail?
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Lore Theorist View Post
    She HAD 6 tails, which went down to 5 cause Milusine destroyed her Sixth Tail remember?
    ??? She said she dispatched that doublebody onsite with BEYOND 6 tails. She is already close to 7 at the time, she just needed something from Albion to complete it. Like I said 6 Lost Tails + Her innate, idk why you can't count and read. With Cerny curse (and probably his godly fur) she will probably not only regain what was lost, but also gain the 7th (7th overall, but 6th Lost Tail).

    Also said image we saw was a front to camouflage to her true Beast form. She knew Holmes would direct Chaldea to grasp an image of her as she stands on the Storm Border, so she jammed all of Chaldea system to prevent anyone from seeing her true form in that instance. What you've seen vanishing was just a camouflage as she escaped the LB right afterwards. Trusting it as face value in the very first place is completely stupid.

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