Fate/Grand Order Story and Lore (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[InsertNameHere]

Was it not obvious that U-Olga wanted to be liked and accepted by Guda? A major plot point of LB7 is her becoming more distant when she remembers her identity, as she doesn't think it's possible for Guda to like the Alien God - even going so far as to assume they somehow didn't know. Her literal last words are asking for their acceptance.

Also, you should know by now that jokes are the deepest lore. It wouldn't be the first time Riyo foreshadowed FGO's plot.

Not to the degree that it was in her original self, nor was she so particular about who she wanted to be liked and accepted by. That aspect was there, but it was far less prominent and didn't drive her actions to nearly the same extent until the very end. As U-Olga, her main motivation was her ambitions, as well as her false memories compelling her to act in a way that would benefit Marisbury/the Alien World (rather than the need to prove herself as being worthy of her position).

Perhaps I didn't make part of my views completely clear. before. I consider a person's memories to be a fundamental part of who they are. Wipe the memories or alter them on a large enough scale, and you've effectively killed and replaced the person who existed before the memory loss. I know that Hakuno might seem to disprove this, but given their condition they had no memories to lose in the first place and therefore no identity to destroy. If you've seen a loved one start to change as a result of Alzheimer's or another form of dementia, you'll know what I mean. It says a lot that in those literal last words, she spoke of her old life as if the original Olga wasn't actually her.

With her original memories gone and seemingly lost forever, U-Olga is for all respects and purposes a new individual. One who is similar to her original self, but not identical by any means- when Guda and Mash say otherwise, that is because they don't want to admit that the Olga they knew is gone and that U-Olga is not her. (Daybit is a bit different, but with a perspective as alien as his own he may simply be viewing it only in terms of U-Olga's vessel.) If and only if she gets her memories back, she would be the true Olga again, albeit changed for the experience.

[InsertNameHere]

U Olga is not Olga just as much as I am not the real me when I log into BL to shitpost. It's just her Mary Sue fanfiction turned real, but it's her.

Counterpoint: you can always go back to being your "normal" self any time you please. U-Olga can't do that (at least, not when we see her).

[Random]

you can always go back to being your "normal" self any time you please

speak for yourself

[Kamera]

Save your collective sanity. Just mute InsertNameHsre. Unless you find their unironic fallacy overdose funny.

[dualblade]

Eh as a last thing, we have plenty of Servants we meet in the story who's memory is not there for the summonable version, yet they are still considered the same being overall. U-Olga is essentially everything Olga wants to be, even going out in a happy ending type way (not her fault ORT negates it somewhat but still instrumental). Even if Olga doesn't remember anything about U-Olga, that doesn't change.

Specially since she probably will have those moments that will bring to mind U-stuff specifically just to show she really isn't that different.

[InsertNameHere]

Eh as a last thing, we have plenty of Servants we meet in the story who's memory is not there for the summonable version, yet they are still considered the same being overall. U-Olga is essentially everything Olga wants to be, even going out in a happy ending type way (not her fault ORT negates it somewhat but still instrumental). Even if Olga doesn't remember anything about U-Olga, that doesn't change.

Specially since she probably will have those moments that will bring to mind U-stuff specifically just to show she really isn't that different.

Perhaps that's technically true, but it feels like it's cheating her by not allowing the "real" her to experience all of it and know she got that end. As far as the original is concerned, it's occurring to a different person: U-Olga isn't the one who got sucked into CHALDEAS feeling that she accomplished nothing and died hated by everyone. Learning that another me won the lottery and had all his wishes come true doesn't do anything for this me. Good on him, but his success has nothing to do with mine whatsoever and acting as if it had actually happened to me is nonsensical.

As for the Servants, we've been told that it's basically like reading about what they did in a book. They might be able to say "huh, that happened", but all the emotions connected to it and the sense that it actually happened to them are almost always gone. We do have exceptions to the rule, but even in those cases it's more along the lines of vague impressions rather than any sense that they were the ones who had those experiences.

[fumei]

Yeah but what if

Servants are copies of the "real" soul in the throne, and when they dematerialize their experience goes back to the "main body" in the form of records
Olga's not in the throne (or rather, not summoned from there by CHALDEAS most certainly), so her "main body" is literally her actual body
So when U-Olga (the servant) disappears, where do all those experiences go?

[InsertNameHere]

Yeah but what if

Servants are copies of the "real" soul in the throne, and when they dematerialize their experience goes back to the "main body" in the form of records
Olga's not in the throne (or rather, not summoned from there by CHALDEAS most certainly), so her "main body" is literally her actual body
So when U-Olga (the servant) disappears, where do all those experiences go?

As far as any of us can tell, nowhere. They just vanish without a trace, barring a deus ex machina to bring them back or the Priestess recording them; seeing that she was following U-Olga through the Lostbelt and has some sort of connection to her, it seems plausible that she would know about them. But that too runs into the loss of the sense of feeling that it actually happened to her, only amplified further since instead of having those experiences downloaded to her records she's being told about them secondhand, so to speak.

If the theory that the Priestess contains her real soul is true, it kind of works out since it would receive those experiences directly rather than just observe them. The personal experience part would still be lost, though.

[You]

Yeah but what if

Servants are copies of the "real" soul in the throne, and when they dematerialize their experience goes back to the "main body" in the form of records
Olga's not in the throne (or rather, not summoned from there by CHALDEAS most certainly), so her "main body" is literally her actual body
So when U-Olga (the servant) disappears, where do all those experiences go?

[fumei]

Ladies and gentlemen,

[InsertNameHere]

Artoria in FSN is a special case, given that she was never truly a Servant to begin with. She was always able to retain her memories of previous Grail Wars after they ended and she was sent back to her own time to try again, and this is no different. However, after destroying the Grail and breaking her contract with the World she'd just die for real and her memories would die with her. FGO Artoria does seem to remember some things about the events of FSN, but Nasu has always been quick to note that she's not the same being as the Artoria of FSN. Her Materials also refer to her as a Heroic Spirit but not a Servant. I recall that Nasu suggested that was a possibility for her in the UBW route, but the way she speaks of her past doesn't match the way her character develops on that route.

[You]

Artoria in FSN is a special case, given that she was never truly a Servant to begin with. She was always able to retain her memories of previous Grail Wars after they ended and she was sent back to her own time to try again, and this is no different. However, after destroying the Grail and breaking her contract with the World she'd just die for real and her memories would die with her. FGO Artoria does seem to remember some things about the events of FSN, but Nasu has always been quick to note that she's not the same being as the Artoria of FSN. Her Materials also refer to her as a Heroic Spirit but not a Servant. I recall that Nasu suggested that was a possibility for her in the UBW route, but the way she speaks of her past doesn't match the way her character develops on that route.

Whatever you said here does not matter.
It's going to be a "dream." It is always a dream.

[InsertNameHere]

Whatever you said here does not matter.
It's going to be a "dream." It is always a dream.

I interpreted that scene as her "seeing" it as a dream in her last moments, but that the actual experience of doing so as well as the actual experiences of fighting as a Servant would just die with her. What she sees as she's dying isn't the issue here so much as what's retained after death, since U-Olga didn't have a body to return to and retain her experiences for even a short time, like Artoria did.

[TomPen94]

Why are you so sure Olga's body is gone? We don't really know what happened to it when she got thrown into CHALDEAS.

[Daemon]

I'm going to bet that even if Olga does remember, you're probably going to say "well it's just the memories of a person that fundamentally wasn't Olga to begin with, now she's just Olga with U-Olga's memories, U-Olga was like her own person"

[InsertNameHere]

I'm going to bet that even if Olga does remember, you're probably going to say "well it's just the memories of a person that fundamentally wasn't Olga to begin with, now she's just Olga with U-Olga's memories, U-Olga was like her own person"

Should that come to pass, my reaction will be based on the answer to this question: will Olga herself see U-Olga's memories as being her own? My own opinion that those aren't truly her own memories has far less weight than her own personal perception of her relationship to U-Olga, and I'm not quite hardheaded enough to say that I'd be a better judge of that than the person it's actually happening to. But since Olga is currently unavailable for comment and U-Olga's statements at the end of LB7 make it ambiguous as to whether she personally sees Olga as being the same as her, I act upon my own interpretation for now.

If she does identify them as being her own memories and therefore accepts that U-Olga is either a part of her or the same as her, she will be both Olga and U-Olga in a sense (or perhaps neither, if you see such an amalgamation as being different from either of its constituent parts). If not, she will be Olga with U-Olga's memories tacked on- as she wouldn't accept that U-Olga is equivalent to herself in that scenario, she would of course continue to view U-Olga as her own person and therefore the words you put in my mouth would be what I would believe.

I do not presume to know which of those possibilities is the more probable. It could go either way- it could even be possible that they might be brought back as completely separate individuals through some plot contrivance.

[InsertNameHere]

Why are you so sure Olga's body is gone? We don't really know what happened to it when she got thrown into CHALDEAS.

Her body was destroyed by Lev's bomb, before she was thrown into CHALDEAS.

[VTKajin]

I mean there are obviously things U-chan believes(d) that aren't true, but her experiences are her experiences. It's still her, still her underlying motivations. The "old" Olga is gone. Even if U-chan regains Olga's memories in their entirety, it'll be U-chan processing them, not Olga.

But also she'll never be complete without her soul anyway.

[dualblade]

Her body was destroyed by Lev's bomb, before she was thrown into CHALDEAS.

Are you sure about that. Everyone elses body wasn't destroyed after all.

[VTKajin]

Are you sure about that. Everyone elses body wasn't destroyed after all.

Something happened in the explosion that allowed her to Rayshift when she couldn't before. The death of her body makes sense. Besides, where was her body when the coffins opened?