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Thread: Fate/Grand Order Story and Lore (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

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    Yeah she's about as big a myth as Galatea honestly? Maybe you could force a connection with her children's own stuff like Medusa does

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    If they wanted to do more with her they could've gone super hard on galaxy syncretism, which is almost made easier by virtue of greek gods being alien robots, but yeah.
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    It's a bit of a shame they focus only on Herk though. The Tyndaridae are an understandable mess to avoid, but Odysseus is there! Have a Penelope line!

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    I wonder she will treat Herc as a great-grandson or brother-in-law.

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    Oh it gets even worse if you look at how much her sons loved marrying their nieces.

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    At least it's less confusing than whatever the hell Medusa Saber's lore is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norayd View Post
    I guess if Minase gets to have Saber Medusa, it makes sense he'd get Perseus adjacent stuff as well. I do find it funny that this is the second time he had a chained royal.
    Minase used Saber Medusa in both of her appearances but her profile is a clear Nasu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobo View Post
    So, checking Andromeda's profile in Atlas.
    It's basically the IRL myth at face value, didn't notice any change or twist by the writers. And she seems to be still pretty much in love with Perseus which makes me think she's a Sakurai character.
    Minase is even more of a "myth without a twist" guy. The deciding factor will be how one-note her lines are and who is writing the event.
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    looking at the lines on wicurio, she's cute but doesn't really talk about much. hopefully the event gives her more stuff.

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    I really like the conceptual stuff with Andromeda's chains and rocks. That's pretty cool.

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    Andromeda:
    STR: B
    END: B
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    LUC: A
    NP: C
    A lot better than I was expecting for her considering:
    Quote Originally Posted by Lobo View Post
    it's not really as if Andromeda has any myth other than being chained...
    The final boss of the first Megaman Starforce game is named after her, and the one who controls it is named after her father, so it's cool to learn about the namesake.
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    Bob the Builder's evil twin.
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    HF felt like Nasu holding up a megaphone and screaming, "LOOK AT HOW SAD THIS IS! ISN'T IT SAD? YOU SHOULD FEEL SAD!"


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    Palingenesis just sounds like we're creating Sarah Palin.


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    >tfw you betray your ideals to get some


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    In short, Japan's syncretism BS striked again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comun View Post
    Minase is even more of a "myth without a twist" guy. The deciding factor will be how one-note her lines are and who is writing the event.
    Tbh, what made me think of Sakurai first is that she's still in love with Perseus and happy lovey-dovey couples are usually her shtick. I wouldn't mind if she's Minase's but I would be surprise if he wrote her like that 'cause I think it would be a first for him? Unless I'm forgetting about someone...

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    Galatea is sorta like that isn't she?

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    Yeah Galatea is very unambiguously devoted to her husband

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    Guess she's who I forgot about ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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    About Minase, he is the only one to have Retweeted the tweet of the Valentine's Live stream
    He also retweeted the tweet from Keita where he talk about the NP OST of Andromeda and retweeted the tweet from the Seiyuu of Andromeda

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelp24 View Post
    Do you mean mother or the sexy ladies in wraps, cause that one's pretty rare overall
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
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    Hello there, me and my friend were going through FGO's story and theorizing, alongside with lurking those threads and reading different theories. Knowing that you guys are the actual people to ask about FGO's lore, we wanted to ask a few questions that came to our mind.

    What we found was a disparity between the way that CHALDEAS (Bluebook's world) was bleached and how PHH was bleached as well.
    It was said in the story that the sky was covered in branches, with contact with space being lost either at the same time or shortly after in Bluebook's world*, while on our Earth the bleaching happened first, then the trees fell and then the sky was covered in branches. As far we are aware the loss of communication with space that we have experienced was not caused by the branches, and the branches that we describe on our Earth are the branches of fantasy trees, which at the point of losing contact hasn't even descended yet.
    *Unless Bluebook got it wrong just like the characters on our Earth did (Look Olympus)

    The thing is that not only is Bluebook's version of events a polar opposite when it comes to the timeline comparing to ours, there is one more detail that doesn't line up: That being the tree-aliens coming out from the branches covering the skies and killing everyone on Earth one by one. From the description given by Bluebook it sounds more like Laḫmu than the Fantasy Trees we know. I

    On the topic of the branches cutting off access to space, in Tunguska it is mentioned that we cannot send Koyanskaya to space because of the branches still covering the proper access to it, but what branches are those? Because with the hindsight of Lostbelt 7, there shouldn't be any trees remaining as the last one was consumed by ORT millions of years ago in the timeline of his Lostbelt, meaning that during the event of Tunguska, the trees should be already long dead and gone. Is this an inconsistency resulting from LB7 being rewritten, or is it possibly a clue towards something else? Or is it simply the english localization being complete garbage?

    There is also extremelly heavy handed foreshadowing of Velber with it being mentioned in the Lostbelts twice already. According to Fate/Extella, Velber travels through a set orbit passing through the Milky Way galaxy once every 14.000 years, and the last time that Velber-02 came onto Earth was in 12.000 B.C, which would put the date where another Velber will be passing through to be somewhere in the ballpark of 2000's.

    One last thing, more of a food for thought: The Velber mural shows what we assume to be the "Older Brother" to be plant-like in appearance. Something I cannot confirm myself because I couldn't find that part in the story or the supplementary material, was that some people say SHEBA predicted the end of the world that was neither the bleaching nor the incineration of humanity. Although I might have missed this somewhere in the story, my question is: If that were the case, could that end of the world be the next coming of Velber? And building off of that, could that be what the bleaching of David Bluebook's world was? Instead of being caused through unknown means by Marisbury, could it be that CHALDEAS simply predicted it, and then the texture of CHALDEAS was swapped for our Earth?

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    The contradiction presented by Bluebook is well known, and I guess best compilation of things addressing it would be GUT, so start by reading that.

    As for the branches covering the sky even with the Fantasy Trees removed, I covered this when Tunguska came out as well:

    Quote Originally Posted by fumei View Post
    Okay so I went back and checked all this stuff as well.

    Lostroom mats had this:
    The blanking was conducted on December 31, 2017. The invasion of Fantasy Trees began from space, and seven Fantasy Trees fell on the surface of the earth, creating seven Lostbelts. The land of true history disappeared, and the Lostbelts were protected by storm walls. Then, after some time lag, the surface of the earth was blanked all at once. The blanking is considered to have spread radially from each Lostbelt. The branches of the Fantasy Trees that grew from the surface of the earth became a membrane that covered the Earth, creating a huge curtain at the boundary between the troposphere and the stratosphere, the tropopause.
    Which implies that the tree branch network is the "dome" that covers the sky, however, in general we should assume the lostroom mats are wrong in any case of conflicting info because they came out very early and don't have any "reveal info", and are written with "pre-story knowledge".

    Bluebook says this:
    Truth be told, we had time to prepare.Maybe it was only twelve hours,
    but it was still time we could have used.
    On that New Year's Eve, we lost every satellite around the world in an instant.
    In consequence, we were not able to observe a single cosmic ray even as the whole world was reduced to a blank, dust gray sphere.
    I know now that it was a membrane in the sky...a dome of sorts made by the tree's branches that was placed over the entire world...
    ...but we weren't exactly in a position to sit down and take stock of what happened on that day, not with all the crazy things going on.
    Twelve hours later...Armageddon.
    A total slaughter.
    A massacre on an unimaginable scale.
    Uncountable...tree-things descended on the earth,
    like so many tentacles from space.
    They crawled across the world, finding and exterminating all forms of life with unerring accuracy and unnerving tenacity, killing almost every human on the planet over the course of three months.
    After that, the trees just...disappeared, returning to the sky and leaving behind a blank, desolate world.
    Which again makes it sound like it's the tree branch network creating the dome, but at the same time the trees (in his world, cuz if you don't buy into his world being an alternate one at this point you're lost, man) descended after the "dome".

    However, we know from Ophelia's data that the trees came after the Bleaching:
    ---Fantasy Trees and the Bleaching.With the exception of us, the Crypters, and the Alter Egos, the only means the Alien God has of interacting with the planet are the Fantasy Trees.
    That is why we come to this conclusion.
    The bleaching of the earth was due to the descend of the Fantasy Trees.
    But can we be sure that is the case...? I once again observed and analyzed the data collected from the surface of the world.
    As it turns out, we may have misinterpreted the facts.
    ---It was after the bleaching of the world that the trees appeared. This order of appearances is very important.
    I don't know who the Crypter who will view this file is, but I hope it is useful.
    and we know the Bleaching happened after we dove into INS, meanwhile the blocking of cosmic rays was caught way earlier during the prologue:
    Announcement:
    Warning! Warning!
    An ■■ has occurred in observational data.
    No past observational data found.
    Statistical response, forecast, and prediction abilities compromised.
    Unable to detect anomalies in observational data.
    Unable to detect any form of electromagnetic waves.
    Unable to detect cosmic rays reaching Earth.
    Satellite visual feed lost.
    Mauna Kea Observatories transmissions lost.
    There are currently no observable celestial objects on Earth.
    So the blocking of cosmic signals came first, way before anything else, and we know it's caused by the dome, and the trees came after the bleaching which happened after the cosmic blocking, ergo the dome was there before the trees and could not be made by the trees. Whether Bluebook is just wrong (we still don't know everything about his version, to be fair. For instance, he says the trees left, but he notices changes in the sky above the areas where Lostbelts are in our worlds, but how can there be Lostbelts if the trees disappeared?), or it's just different, who knows.

    Finally, there's this from Atlantis, which is explicit enough that I could've just posted this, but that's less fun:
    Pepe:
    So I take it that means all the branches connected to that canopy covering the sky are from the Atlantic's Tree then?

    Kirsch:
    Good grief. I really can't get anything past you, can I, Pepe?
    That's correct. My Fantasy Tree is the only one receiving the blessings of the Foreign God's Earth-covering canopy.
    Which, like I said, is pretty explicit about the tree connecting to the canopy/dome, ergo the dome and the tree are not the same thing.

    So all in all, you basically have two "branch networks". One is the one formed by the big branches of the trees, which acts as an information network, and is all but explicitly said (iirc) to exist for the sake of feeding leftover energy to the Atlantic tree. The other is one formed pre-trees, which is blocking out all cosmic signals (but the sun is still ever-shining, however that works), and gives a "blessing" to the trees that connect to it (which is just the Atlantic tree, again).
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    Thank you for responding, I have already read GUT although some parts of it are still confusing to me and I wanted to put my own thoughts as well to see if maybe someone thought of something similar or if I missed something.

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