Fate/Grand Order Story and Lore (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[Nyarly Alter]

I’m simplifying but it’s still a whole “dark ritual/traumatic event caused skin to go black”, it’s been a thing since Archer had his skin burned from overuse or Angra was “Dark Shirou” and he got a far darker skin tone.

The Archer thing is just a tan fetish. And i think the logic for Angra was "He's the CEO of evil so gotta make everything about him pure darkness" instead of "Black skin = evil".

Emiya Alter is one instance that actually has heavy racism energy

[Paulie25]

I don’t think any of them were made with malicious intent but the execution can still come off a bit weird. Archer’s design is supposed to clearly mirror Shirous (The calm blue is replaced by a vibrant red, the white parts of the shirt are replaced by black armor, his previously colorful hair is now starkly white, etc.) and I feel like “As he got older and more cynical is white skin became darker” is something you can read into. Which isn’t helped by the “even more far gone, edgy, and tragic version of Archer has even DARKER skin” type feel. Then his alternate “dark self possessed by a demon” is noticeably a darker skin tone, which would be fine if it was cause Angra’s Persian but we don’t know what OG Angra looked like too much so it’s a wash.

To his credit, none of these guys are evil (or one note at least) and are complex well liked characters, but that whole idea of “darker = bad juju” is kinda there. To be fair, the alternate is also true in that sometimes they get pale white instead (Salter is the obvious example) but idk it’s just kinda unfortunate. I don’t think Nasu means anything by it but I wish he would kinda lean away from that.

[mami-kouga]

I don’t think Nasu does anything I hate with maliciousness but he does do it with ignorance. Can’t comment what was going through he head when he wrote the Detroit Emiya joke though

[Formless Creature]

I think Nasu is just, for better or worse, an extremely Japanese man.

[Paulie25]

I think Nasu is just, for better or worse, an extremely Japanese man.

This is the sum of it yeah, it is just a bit unfortunate since he’s actually really progressive in a lot of ways but he’s pretty… out of the loop on this area.

[Reverse_side98]

I never really associated the tannification with being evil but with being a corruption of their being from what they originally were. I guess in emiya alters case its because he's the more cynical version of archer hence blacker/tanner

[fumei]

I think Nasu is just, for better or worse, an extremely Japanese man.

I don't think that covers it, to be honest. Nasu is an extremely Japanese man, but he's also an old man. And unfortunately he's not the kind of old Japanese man you'd see as a caricature in a kung fu movie, but one involved in the tech landscape.

[Daemon]

A Case of Reverse Kratos

[Nedog]

and I feel like “As he got older and more cynical is white skin became darker” is something you can read into.

When you go through puberty some areas of your body turn a bit darker...

[asterism42]

I don’t think any of them were made with malicious intent but the execution can still come off a bit weird. Archer’s design is supposed to clearly mirror Shirous (The calm blue is replaced by a vibrant red, the white parts of the shirt are replaced by black armor, his previously colorful hair is now starkly white, etc.) and I feel like “As he got older and more cynical is white skin became darker” is something you can read into. Which isn’t helped by the “even more far gone, edgy, and tragic version of Archer has even DARKER skin” type feel. Then his alternate “dark self possessed by a demon” is noticeably a darker skin tone, which would be fine if it was cause Angra’s Persian but we don’t know what OG Angra looked like too much so it’s a wash.

To his credit, none of these guys are evil (or one note at least) and are complex well liked characters, but that whole idea of “darker = bad juju” is kinda there. To be fair, the alternate is also true in that sometimes they get pale white instead (Salter is the obvious example) but idk it’s just kinda unfortunate. I don’t think Nasu means anything by it but I wish he would kinda lean away from that.

IIRC for a good while the theory was that Archer's skin had darkened as a result of a radiation burn

[Paulie25]

The lore that it was due to spell feedback was in since Side Material:

Also, his skin was darkened from the rebound caused by using a certain spell… well, that’s the story, anyway.

Archer recounts a story about him stopping a nuclear meltdown in EXTRA which Hakuno half-jokingly assumes is the reason for his skin color before Archer tells them they’re stupid, which is what you’re thinking of.

[Rockxas]

IIRC for a good while the theory was that Archer's skin had darkened as a result of a radiation burn

Nameless pouts in Extra saying that's exactly how it did not happen.




Edit: Totally beaten to the punch by Paulie while I looked for the screenshots.

[Paulie25]

We might not have the same profile pics anymore, but we still think the same!

[You]

I think Nasu is just, for better or worse, an extremely Japanese man.

Q: Where did the Einzbern nobles get their narrow view of Japanese culture from? (That Japanese people are a tribe of headhunters, and other terrible and weird prejudices...). Did it come from their resentment of Kiritsugu?
A: All foreigners are like that. (Secret Technique: Kinoko Reverse Discrimination)

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[Paulie25]

Holy Shit

[Rockxas]

To be fair I think he has gotten a whole lot better about that kind of stuff since the FSN days, since he actually appreciates his international audience these days and has traveled around the world.

[Paulie25]

He makes a Tsubame Gaeshi joke about discrimination right after that?!?!

[You]

To be fair I think he has gotten a whole lot better about that kind of stuff since the FSN days, since he actually appreciates his international audience these days and has traveled around the world.

Prefer the old interviews to the current corpo-speak FGO Nasu. Nasu's current interviews feel more restrained than the old ones used to.

Back on topic, what do you like about Yoshino, Nasu-san?
Nasu (After a period of deep thought) ...if I were to talk about the romantic bits, I'd say because she's a "girl." She's strong at the core, and the oldest, so she has to protect Itsuki as a mother, so she NEEDS to be strong. It's a bit fleeting in a way. When she's disappearing while dancing happily with Itsuki at the end (*24) it may have seemed a bit like her efforts were unrequited, but I like how the story made it seem like Yoshino was happy. At that point I was like "Damn it! They got me!" Also, when child Itsuki (*25) comes back from preschool and says "I have two mothers," I was like "Ahhh, I love this!" ...that's the wholesome stuff. Honestly, I just like the erotic bits! (LOL)
All (ROFL)
Nasu It's so sexy. Not physically sexy, but mentally sexy.

[Oz1337]

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Why are you not adding the parenthesis part of his answer?

Ｑ：アインツベルンのお館様の偏見まみれな日本観はどこから？（日本人はクビカリ族だー、とか相当ひどい＆ ズレた日本観のような気が......）切嗣への怒りにつながったのでしょうか？

Ａ：外国人の方はみんなあんなもんです（奥義きのこ偏見返し）。

To me it feels like he's just joking when answering that question. But even if he wasn't, that is a QA from 2010 which is plenty of time to change somebody's views of the world, specially when it's now even easier to interact with people around the world.

[Paulie25]

Prefer the old interviews to the current corpo-speak FGO Nasu. Nasu's current interviews feel more restrained than the old ones used to.

He’s definitely more restrained nowadays but he’s still a good bit more casual than your average dev for sure. Even just comparing how Kamone talks vs Nasu makes it pretty clear how different he feels. I’ll agree that he was a lot more casual before though, I guess at the time he was just a small time dude so all of the interviews had the vibe of being with friends.

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Why are you not adding the parenthesis part of his answer?



To me it feels like he's just joking when answering that question. But even if he wasn't, that is a QA from 2010 which is plenty of time to change somebody's views of the world, specially when it's now even easier to interact with people around the world.

Well there’s probably a reason Waver and Luvia’s racism has been dropped in the modern day at the very least.