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Thread: Fate/Grand Order Story and Lore (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

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    Back to the subject of Guda's harem, I think we can now also add the Servant Universe version of Demeter to the list of people with a crush on Guda too. Which is kind of impressive, really.

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    A:...how in the world did that happen?
    B: What's the quick summary for Odysseus' interlude since it seems like there's a good chance we're going to Servantverse again for Halloween (either that or it'll be another misadventure involving Elizabeth as an Archer going by Jason's interlude)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragolord09 View Post
    A:...how in the world did that happen?
    B: What's the quick summary for Odysseus' interlude since it seems like there's a good chance we're going to Servantverse again for Halloween (either that or it'll be another misadventure involving Elizabeth as an Archer going by Jason's interlude)?
    I've only got the MTL version of the script to work with, but here's the crude summary of said interlude. If you'd rather take a look at said script for yourself, it's on Atlas Academy. I can provide the link if anyone wants to try their hand at translating it properly.

    Arrow 1:
    Guda wakes up in what looks like Ashtart's ship from Saber Wars 2. Odysseus is there with them and warns them that something bad is going on...or rather, Space Odysseus (yep, same one from this year's Battle in New York, he recognizes you and everything) is there with them (oh, and Lieutenant Space Xu Fu is there too). They need Guda's help before they can send them back to Chaldea, and ask them to look out the window. They see, Europa- oh, sorry, Star Princess Europa floating in space outside. Apparently she heard that her grandson Abandoned Prince Asterios ended up befriending the Servantverse counterparts of the Gorgon sisters (and yes, this also includes Gorgon and Medusa Lily, time travel was involved somehow) and now she's very worked up about how popular he is nowadays.

    So worked up, in fact, that it's distorting spacetime. As commander-in-chief of the Federation Space Forces, it's his job to stop her before she breaks reality. Most of their ships are disabled because the ether in the nearby interstellar space is out of whack, so they need you to help them talk some sense into her.

    The three of them fly off to engage Europa, only to have their way blocked by Star Guardian Talos.

    (Battle)

    Arrow 2:
    Talos stops moving, and Europa wonders if his batteries are dead. One space-time quake later and Talos is restarted, much to the chagrin of Space Odysseus and Space Xu Fu. Fortunately another battle is averted by transmissions from Starship Aphrodite and Starship Demeter, who noticed Talos' activation and would like it if things didn't get out of hand.

    (An aside- it seems that while the Olympians retained their Aletheia forms in the Servantverse, they also managed to remain sane and keep the personalities of their PHH equivalents. I have absolutely no idea how that could work, and must chalk it up to Servantverse weirdness. For what it's worth, Space Odysseus calls them "High Servants" but that may just be a bad translation. Needless to say, this is one of the parts that could stand having a human look over it. Another interesting note here is that the dialog choices change slightly depending on whether or not Olympus has been cleared- if you have, Guda has a choice to recognize them before being corrected by Space Xu Fu.)

    They've been looking for Star Princess Europa themselves, and after Starship Demeter gets tongue-tied about what they actually need her for Starship Aphrodite bails her out: Zeus has been hitting on other women again and since Hera isn't around right now it's up to Star Princess Europa to make sure he doesn't start an interstellar war by accident. Europa agrees to help and sets off with Talos to find Zeus. Starship Aphrodite lets Space Odysseus know they'll see him in season ten if he hasn't retired by then and Starship Demeter bids everyone farewell.

    Back in the Olympians' information sharing network, Starship Aphrodite asks why Starship Demeter was acting like a little girl in love when she was speaking to Guda and Space Odysseus. Starship Demeter tells her that she recognized Guda was a human and seeing them there made her suddenly feel very embarrassed about what Zeus was doing for some reason. Draw your own conclusions- although I note that Demeter was reputed to have seduced at least one mortal man in Greek myth (their son was Plutus, god of wealth).

    Space Odysseus thanks Guda for their help, but is interrupted by a threatening message from Doc Kykeon's evil twin sister, Gilke the Black Kykeon. He asks them to help him for just a bit longer.

    Fast-forward to My Room, where Guda has just finished telling Odysseus about this little stint into the Servantverse- it seems that all of this happened in one of their dreams again. (You know, if we ever get Sigmund Freud as a Heroic Spirit, he would have a field day with Guda's ability to visit alternate realities entirely through their dreams.)

    Circe enters, curious about what they're talking about. Odysseus asks Circe if she ever had a sister. She thinks he means Pasiphae, but he clarifies that he actually meant someone called called Gilke. She assumes Odysseus is mocking her and challenges him to a fight.

    (Battle)

    She loses, grumbles about how she forgot that Odysseus is immune to her Noble Phantasm, and storms off. Guda and Odysseus have a brief talk about the former's dreams, with Odysseus saying that no matter how unusual they sound he'll listen to them all the same. But more importantly, they should probably apologize to Circe (a task that Odysseus calls an adventure in itself).
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    Ah the Servantverse, where the rules are made up and nothing matters.

    Still though, a Servantverse event with the Greek gods are probably the only way we would be able to summon them in non-psuedo servant form.

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    I mean they could just like have them nerf themselves or something

    like grands do instead of pseudo's

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    Wasn't it stated by Nasu that Grands that lose their titles aren't really weaker than they were before, just losing their authority instead?
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    Those are two different things. Giving up your title as grand doesn't mean you immediately get weaker (King Hassan), and getting weaker by sacrificing the "grand crown" is just for a massive power boost (as far as we know for now at least).

    The "grands" we summon in Chaldea have neither greater power nor the title of Grand, they're simply the same Servants who would qualify.
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    Didn't Gramps also sacrifice his crown so he could apply the concept of death to Tiamat?

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    In working with Chaldea, he gave up his title. In his strike to harm Tiamat, he used up his remaining Grant Saint Graph. Orion does the same thing in Atlantis, giving up his title right there and then using all the power in the Grand Saint Graph in his final shot.

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    The important thing is that the power boost is a result of giving up the greater saint graph, merely an indirect followup from rejecting ones title, and thus they are separate things.
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    You get fired if you go against the orders from your boss, and you lose your power if you use it all up for your big boom blast, basically.

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    I still have to wonder why they even have to lose the title as these are the pinnacle of Heroic Spirits. Is it so they only send the best one for a specific job and isn't always the same one?

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    It feels like a very odd idea that the CF would actively cripple its pool of defenses permanently for the crime of going agianst its will.

    It very much felt like a choice thats for hype than something to think bout implications of

    As either 1. they lose it permanently crippling the CF for future threats
    or 2. they regain it upon a seperate summoning iteration but that takes away the weight of the act narratively

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    We’ve seen that Hassan is Grand again in Arcade, and Nasu stated there is no other Grand Assassin in FGO. So it sounds like it’s a permanent firing limited to only the local world.

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    Wasn't that just the Hassan from Arcade's world tho?

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    It would be pretty stupid of the world to have no countermeasures against Grand Servants doing whatever the hell they want though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirishima View Post
    It would be pretty stupid of the world to have no countermeasures against Grand Servants doing whatever the hell they want though
    If the World was any good at dealing with Beasts we wouldn't have to keep intervening. But here we are.

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    Beasts also aware of the world's interference and try to cheat the system anyways. And the counter force being something that only uses the bare minimum, really doesn't want to go with the original 7v1 format unless it is absolutely needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InsertNameHsre View Post
    If the World was any good at dealing with Beasts we wouldn't have to keep intervening. But here we are.
    That's because the World already took into account your intervention obviously.

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