Oh, yikes...
Oh, yikes...
Originally Posted by Deathhappens
That's only offensive if you make it out to be. Which this being the Internet, of course people will.
shit BL says
Once and always and nevermore.
And you don't? It is a fairly offensive and dated view to express.
It absolutely is offensive, my dude
Fate/Extra is arguably an otome game.
i mean expecting japan of all countries to contribute to lgbt is a mistake, religious countries in general don't vibe with these topics
There are many reasons that Japan is a fairly conservative country, at least among the upper echelons of society, but religion is a fairly minor reason. Also, the general public is more ambivalent towards LGBTQ+ issues than their media and political figures, often tending towards uncertainly supportive.
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It wouldn't have been offensive if he simply said Extella is a game that 10 out of 10 players from any demographic may enjoy.
Gets me hoping that Record expands more on interactions with Julius and Leo, particularly as Hakunon. Weird that they weren't shown at all in trailers.
Last edited by OnesFleetingGlory; September 23rd, 2021 at 01:26 PM.
Only if you interpret "we made a game male and female fans can enjoy" and "10 out of 10 people will be able to clear it" (two different sentences separated by a period) to mean "we made the game easy so girls can play it".
Which is not necessarily what he was trying to say at all.
shit BL says
Once and always and nevermore.
He could have just said the former, then, without implying anything about difficulty. That he felt the need to say that at all isn't great.
Remember, Nasu isn't a game dev, he's a writer. Extella is, even within the reference frame of musou games, piss easy. So he was either impressed enough that he felt the need to say it (wouldn't surprise me if people broken telephoned the "Extra rock paper scissors system isn't fun" to "Extra is too hard!" ) or, equally likely, it was part of a list of features they gave him to bring up.
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I'm hardly above sniping some of Nasu's more questionable decisions, but this seems like taking the worst possible interpretation of what he said and running with it.
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Consider the following: When you hear "we made a game girls can enjoy", your default interpreration is "we made a game that's really easy so even girls can clear it". When, famous Mobile Game Scenario Writer Kinoko Nasu says it, what he probably means is "we added more shota screentime to the game so Y.Aoi has something to screech about on Twitter".
Last edited by Deathhappens; September 23rd, 2021 at 01:49 PM.
shit BL says
Once and always and nevermore.
Well, in terms of story Extella doesn't really appeal to women in the slightest, with the exception of lesbians with a macro fetish
It has about 300% more playable dudes than Extra, that's gotta count for something.
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More like 500%, but anyway.
shit BL says
Once and always and nevermore.
It does not
Well we've only had two trailers so far and one of them was just showing Tamamo's animations.
based mushroom strikes again
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Mostly pro-royalty in comparison to the Reign of Terror, which, considering what happened to Olympe de Gouges, wasn’t particularly “progressive” in any regard other than outlawing slavery (which was still notable)
Japan is a functionally irreligious country. Capitalism and state patronage of religion tend to destroy actual popular religiosity.
Eh, the fujos I know liked it a lot because of how many guys there were and how little clothing you could give them.
D'Éon was also an actual deep stater, at least during the reign of Louis XV.
As for Japanese religiosity, it's seeming irreligiousness is in large part due to Japanese people not interacting with religion in a way that Westerners view as particularly religious, though even temple and shrine visits are declining, so...
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Totally agree about the capitalism part, though
There isn’t a 100% connection between LGBT identity and “woke” political views—the presence of Log Cabin Republicans in the USA and essays about how drone strikes “queer” the experience of killing in warfare is proof enough. As much as you or I may hate the CIA and FBI, there’s little about them these days that means a person with a marginalized identity should object to them purely on the grounds of identity. Plenty of recruitment ads talk about how minorities can “find their voice” working in intelligence.
In regards to religion, “old religion” that focuses on orthopraxy (ceremony) rather than orthodoxy (belief) is fundamentally ill-suited to the modern era. It generally seeks to explain natural phenomena (meaning science can “disprove” it) and shies away from philosophical morality (something that cannot be “disproven,” and that the modern world very much needs). In my opinion, Japan shot itself in the foot by outlawing shinbutsu-shūgō, the quasi-modern religion that syncretized Buddhism and Shinto, during the Meiji Restoration, which made “old religion” their national heritage and “modern religion” an external factor. But that’s just me shooting from the hip, and someone with better knowledge can come correct me and get politics out of this thread.
True, you can't object to the military or intelligence agencies purely on identity, but it's important to realize that even as they co-opt progressive messaging, they exist to reinforce a hierarchy that disenpowers those identities.
Also, with regards to orthopraxy vs orthodoxy in Japan, I don't think Japan outlawing shinbutsu-shūgō was the thing that caused a post-WWII decline in religiosity, and even if it didn't help things, I'd say the atomization and alienation of mid- to late-stage capitalism did far more to separate Japanese people from traditional religious practice, especially with regards to people entering the Buddhist clergy.
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