I mean if you think about it, the humans here technically take priority over over the fairies in how they are treated.Originally Posted by madarra
Ehh... I still believe it's more of it's other self is in this lost belt.
Last edited by A Lore Theorist; June 22nd, 2021 at 03:48 PM.
Headcanonz is always nice before it gets dashed i suppose
I guess You will get an answer to the idea “is Primate Murder the murderer of humans/primates and has the authority to be their super killer because he’s the best at killing them. Or is he the best at killing them because he has an authority (power) for that?”
That is true, forgot that bit HOWEVER!, this is a perfect opportunity to obtain a Beast Crown for Vitch so that will be a high likelihood after we deal with Primate Murder, that Vitch will nab it before it completely vanishes.
That's not possible, cause basically Fou is no longer a candidate for becoming a Beast after he transferred his Force of Providence and all his stored magic energy to Mashu(Which will make for a fitting confrontation for Primate Murder given that Mashu has it's counterpart's Force of Providence.) Basically the fact Fou was not matured, coupled with the fact that it gave up all his stored energy, basically removed his potential to even become Primate Murder, even less even for becoming Beast IV, though now we know the backstory with Vitch, we now know why Fou is so aggressive towards her, cause even though he is no longer Beast potential(He won't get to that stage again for a good couple millenias from now), he still is able to sense/smell entities like himself/beast like a bloodhound
Except it ain't a headcanon, it's heavily implied that there is a beast in this lostbelt, and cath palug is confirmed to be here with Castoria or was with her. And that Fou actively avoided this Lostbelt above all others. So it's no headcanon it's VERY fricking likely that we are going to be facing LB version of Primate Murder. Sorry if I come a little sharp here, but I don't appreciate the idea that what I'm talking about isn't supported by the clues, hints, and information we DO have to piece together these valid conjectures. ESPECIALLY when it comes to the HEAVILY implied ones like there being a Beast in this lostbelt, and Cath Palug definitely somewhere in this lb only further cements the conclusion.
I think of it more like Hashmal in Iron Blooded Orphans in that, it's a HUMAN KILLING MACHINE, it's like it will head for nearest closely populated settlements for humans. Like it's not like any thing we have faced before, it's like a machine with one function in it's existence, "slaughter humanity". Oh dear what if Morgan's system she has in place is deliberately set up to stave off Primate Murder from turning into Beast IV? It was never explained why she was doing things that way.
Last edited by A Lore Theorist; June 22nd, 2021 at 07:57 PM.
I think you have your eyes set way too much on this one singular instance, the "Threat to Humanity" in this lostbelt will be in the path to the reverse side, AKA spirit tomb albion, AKA the naval of the world (this is according to MHXX's valentines day which confirmed the next three threats to humanity we will face). There's no real reason for IV to be down there unless he fell in the giant hole lol. There's no other confirmation of a beast other than that.
There's also the fact that Merlin DID have IV, so the chance of him actually being spooky scary form is much lessened, especially since already no humans exist already.
Nonetheless you should never be too set on something, theories are theories and usually Nasu does end up subverting expectations. The very obvious things are red herrings and the not so obvious things are the truth, see Artoria Caster's valentines literally dropping the entire Fairy Knight deal in front of us.
No, Merlin didn't he left Cath Palug with Castoria, it's mentioned, and technically humans are here, they may be slightly different, but they are referred to as humans. That's like the whole bit part in this that Humans are still the dominant species, just are reproduced in a nonstandard fashion. It's more so, that humans in the normal sense don't exist here.
You make it sound like we won't face the entire Fairy Knight Deal ontop with dealing with the Beast IV near the end, and I mean with the amount of text in this lb alone, I wouldn't doubt it. Unless of course, it's going to be split into 3-4 parts, with part 1 and 2 dealing with THIS side of the lb. And it's said that Beasts are chained, in that humanity face them in an exact order, which would mean the Primate Murder would be faced in this setting, just that PHH Primate Murder was vanquished before it appeared, doesn't mean we won't likely face it in this Lostbelt with it's own Cath Palug.
Again the reaction of Fou is very telling here, cause he has NEVER reacted the way that he did unless there is a clear reason for it(He has shown little concern/wariness/fear towards Vitch or other beasts like Solomon or Tiamat). Which tend to come out as being true 9 times out of 10 with his instincts. Which can only mean that this lostbelt holds his counterpart fully matured. Which would sense Fou in a heartbeat if he came with us because they are so intrinsically linked, sort of like how Kiara could sense Kama only even MORE potent because they are the same entity and not two halves. They are two sides of the same coin. Fou's parts tend to be not red herrings. You are tossing away a very critical clue given to us before the LB even started and right at the beginning. Also Merlin is also in this lb sealed away by Morgan, which Fou would NEVER pass up a reason to come along unless there was a VERY good reason for it, he showed little concern of other Beasts being there why would he now make himself scarce for this lb? Don't you find that especially concerning?
Last edited by A Lore Theorist; June 22nd, 2021 at 08:56 PM.
You're ignoring what I'm saying though lol, for him to have given IV to Caster, he would have to already have IV, does that make sense to you? It was already in a state in which he could give it to her. Yeah there's humans, but they barely exist at all and they're not in a state where you could reasonably argue IV would change, they're not effected the world or doing anything. They're not dominant, they're just slaves and cattle.
Again, I'm done after this post but you're too focused on what you want/expect. Fou running away is telling of nothing, he makes no expressions or sounds, he just scampers off for no reason. There's no fear, anger or excitement, he just runs off. I'm tossing away nothing, you're just focused too much on what you want. There's nothing that implies he has "another half" (read; himself) that he'd be able to detect because it is himself or anything of the sort. Sure there's maybe a chance you're right. If so, bravo, however when posing something to somebody make sure you keep the headcannon separated, else your entire point gets muddled. Instead of saying he 100% ran away because he was scared of something, this has never happened before etc. etc., pose it as "He went somewhere else, it could of been out of fear due to X" etc. etc. This at least shows your point without it getting muddled. Anyways I'm done lol
I mean they are still humans, and not really? Cause they seem to have more freedom than the fairies, and are NOWHERE near the likes of LB2's Humans last I checked which were cattle
I mean okay, and no, you don't have to already be IV, cause that's not how Beasts work at all, you can still be a considered a candidate to become a beast and not reach it or you can be one and eventually BECOME it, Primate Murder is essentially at the stage before it FULLY becomes the Beast IV, examples being Angra Mainyu and Kiara Sessyoin(Which eventually DID become a beast in another timeline which would mean that instead of us vanquishing beast iv at the end of solomon, it simply moved to the next encounter able beast IV). The point is Fou's reactions have been clear indications of SOMETHING being at play, like with Vitch's reaction and vice versa, because she was a beast that had not reached maturity, Fou's senses have been shown repeatedly to be extremely sharp and sensitive so it would stand to reason that there was a clear reason for it, and again. This isn't a head-canon this is a very credible theory that came from ALL the clues, hints we have received till now about this lostbelt, cath palug, wodime's reaction, fou's reaction, etc. You are downplaying this a lot, but the point is that what if the prophecy, while the Morgan Le Fay bit I will admit is possible, it's NOWHERE near as strong as this build-up they are doing with this lostbelt. Don't confuse it with wants/headcanons, with theories based in the lore as it stands, cause my want is for them to do it justice with how long it has been mentioned but never seen. And this being the single most BEST situation for it to appear with all the pieces in place for it to become a reality. That isn't headcanon, that is a theory/conjecture based on all the facts, clues, and hints we have right now.
I will admit I'm passionate with my theories, but then that's obvious with my name being Lore Theorist. But anyways alright you are done, I could have probably worded my explanations of what/why/when/where/how I have reached my conclusion, but nothing much to do but roll with how you go. I apologize, if I came across a little strong, I just don't appreciate when people just casually try to discredit something I've worked very hard on to piece together this conclusion/conjecture, so I apologize for not wording my explanations clear enough and came across a little sharp-tongued, I'm super passionate for things you really like mixed with my own limitations and all that, c'est la vie
Anyways can't be helped, got a japan to conquer and Nobus to vanquish.
Last edited by A Lore Theorist; June 22nd, 2021 at 09:45 PM.
Why are people assuming that Primate Murderer is only a threat to humans. Wouldn't a monster like this not have a preference between humans and fairies?
That's also a valid point, that it might extend to civilization based rather than on a singular species, like I could see it go after Fairies and Humans alike with a SLIGHT leaning/preference towards humans.
I thought Primate Murder is primed to murder whatever is the dominant species, and that he and Surtr are two of a kind, so to speak.
He could have given it to her before Cath Palugh became Beast IV.
Castoria specifically having a line about Merlin giving Cath Palugh to her would feel pretty weird to me if it was never going to be relevant in LB6, considering her lines are centered about spoiling the chapter.
Of course it could very well just be for the joke and her wanting to bully Merlin, but still.
Indeed which is what I'm referring to, and also given Fou's reaction to THIS lb despite Merlin also being in this lb just sealed away, is likely a case that there is something else hidden that spooks even fou, which imho can only be one thing and one thing only, a second Cath Palug that has already or is on it's way to maturing into Primate Murder which may or may not be the ultimate stage before becoming fully the Evil of Man, which I'm guessing is more to the process in that it's a stage just before becoming Beast IV which in my thinking goes Cath Palug>Primate Murder>Beast IV in three separate stages.
On another note, this mind-numbing conversation reminded me that MHXX's Valentines mentioned one more threat to humanity that will show up, The Great Three ploy-kickshaws. Funny since Beryl is related to the botany department and witchcraft but I'm sure that's already been mentioned. Rather than stating anything new this is just a reminder/something to consider. inb4 lb6 is just flat snark memes all along
Speaking of Spiritual Tomb Albion, if I'm not wrong the Great Magic Circuits Odovena (or whatever オドベナ supposed to be) got mentioned in Ch.7 when Sheffield was being attacked. And on an unrelated note, I'm pretty certain Chaldea and co. will visit Avalon by using that "hollow pathway", just like what Meunierre suggested at the beginning of LB6.
Ploy Kickshaw was also namedropped by Da Vinci at the end of LB2, when we got to see the Wandering Sea & met Sion for the first time. I think she said something about fairy in the same line as well but can't remember the exact quote.
Anyway from what I remember MHXX mentioned three different threats in her Valentines. Besides Albion Tomb and the Great Three ploys which were obvious, I wonder what the last one is.
Last edited by alienncoww; June 23rd, 2021 at 01:30 AM.
Yeah ploy-kickshaws were dropped at the end of LB2 in relation to the wandering sea. Also, MHXX's Valentines mentions four threats actually.
- A sea connected to another world
- A shaft still connected to the inner sea of the planet
- An altar that shows a vision of a swelling sun
- The Great Three high grade relics, the Moon, the Mist and the Bridge
First one is the threat in imaginary scramble. Second is obviously LB6. Third... Either Douman since he has the black sun thing, but also "altar" makes me think LB7. Last one is the Great Three ploy-kickshaws.
Anyhow, Odovena is mentioned yeah. It's mentioned by Spriggan, he said he had to pick up Mash who had traversed it. It's also mentioned in Sheffield and called a labyrinth known as the "Vein Corridor" (静脈回廊) with Odovena as ruby text.
Odovena as in
Od vena
Od vein
Magic circuit?
I think the big hole by Camelot is likely Spirit Tomb Albion only in this world the dragon made it all the way to the Reverse Side, but if so it's an odd decision to have it be in the middle of the island instead of at London like in PHH.
Od Vena or Odovena or whatever was also called the Vein Corridor in CF:
As for the Ploy Kickshaw foreshadowing I wonder if that will be in a Mahoyo collab, or something to do with Alice's ancestor instead (maybe Yumina the Magician?)
Last edited by Reign; June 23rd, 2021 at 02:44 AM.
I mean it's only mind-numbing to you, cause it's only natural that the Beasts have been stated PLAINLY and repeatedly that they are chain summoned in order from first to last officially and not expecting it to go by what has been officially stated to be the case of it(which would have not been the case IF the lostbelts hadn't happened), and none of the these make reference to the beasts, more so that they are threats to humanity, which are not always beasts. So if we are going to face Vitch as a proper Beast, we HAVE to face Primate Murder that has reached Beasthood in order from IV>V in order for Vitch to obtain the Crown of the Beast that case, which can ONLY be obtained taken from a beast that has reached maturity, it's the only thing that makes any narrative sense. Cause yeah an immature beast that is Vitch is really going to be able to handle a full on Beast IV by herself(Although I COULD see her lending her aid to face it if our interests align, only darker and less honest like with Muramasa).
So Solomon>Tiamat>Kiara/Kama>Primate Murder>Vitch likely>Beast666/Manaka possibly or that Manaka is one half and the other taken a different route>and finally Beast VII(Which was mentioned to not have been fully made manifested in Olympus, so can be considered still not fully matured.)
Last edited by A Lore Theorist; June 23rd, 2021 at 03:48 AM.
Maybe that dragon was digging in the wrong spot in that timeline?
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