Fate/Grand Order Story and Lore (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[Inuhanyou]

Max already explained how that's a faulty line of reasoning. In this LB, fairies don't have lineage per se, but they exist as "types" of fairies, basically. So a fairy will be born with the "lumberjack" role/purpose and be driven by this/live by it. They won't give birth to a new fairy or anything of the sort, but eventually (when they die, usually) a new fairy of the exact same type/with the same purpose of "lumberjack" will be born, and in that sense they form a sort of lineage.

Morgan in the LB specifically is a special kind of fairy from "paradise" (implied to be the reverse side/inner sea, I guess) with the specific purpose of "righting what is wrong" (artoria later basically says this comes down to "get rid of this britain"). However, because she abandoned this purpose more or less, "paradise" has to give birth to another fairy to take over that same purpose, just as if Morgan had died, effectively. That's what Artoria is. If anything, it's more accurate to say she's Morgan's "successor" than being Morgan herself, but even that's not entirely correct. They form a lineage of sorts, a "set" of fairies who share the same purpose, just as the fairies of a clan likely all share similar purposes and come together under it.

Thanks for clarification. From your explanation then I don't know why people keep calling casturia Morgan when they are two diff beings with the same job. In this messed up world it still works to assume arturias "existence" still was created as casturia despite the way of being created and all that shit is different from it's normally done, cause fairies

[fumei]

Well I can understand some of the confusion if people don't read fully and only get snippets. After all, the "Morgan" that came from paradise looks just like castoria, rather than looking like PHH Morgan (but later took that same appearance I guess). So then people probably conflate it with PHH lore and all, but you shouldn't do that at all with anything from this chapter tbh.

[Skull]

Huh, so if it is true that "Vivian" was straight up Morgan all along, could we now have the identities of her three personalities, being Morgan/Morgause/Vivian... maybe?

[Inuhanyou]

@fumei

Now that you've explained it to me it actually doesn't seem that much more weird than Mordred already being a weird son daughter clone thingy of arturia supposedly being the exact same DNA wise outside of accelerated aging

[rxrx]

MC's part in the Garden of Dejection makes me wonder if he will go John Rambo when everything returns back to normal.

[Rafflesiac]

How's Gareth throughout the chapter?

[rxrx]

How's Gareth throughout the chapter?

She sure didn't deserve that end, that is.

[Hermitfold]

Max already explained how that's a faulty line of reasoning. In this LB, fairies don't have lineage per se, but they exist as "types" of fairies, basically. So a fairy will be born with the "lumberjack" role/purpose and be driven by this/live by it. They won't give birth to a new fairy or anything of the sort, but eventually (when they die, usually) a new fairy of the exact same type/with the same purpose of "lumberjack" will be born, and in that sense they form a sort of lineage.

Morgan in the LB specifically is a special kind of fairy from "paradise" (implied to be the reverse side/inner sea, I guess) with the specific purpose of "righting what is wrong" (artoria later basically says this comes down to "get rid of this britain"). However, because she abandoned this purpose more or less, "paradise" has to give birth to another fairy to take over that same purpose, just as if Morgan had died, effectively. That's what Artoria is. If anything, it's more accurate to say she's Morgan's "successor" than being Morgan herself, but even that's not entirely correct. They form a lineage of sorts, a "set" of fairies who share the same purpose, just as the fairies of a clan likely all share similar purposes and come together under it.

I understand this but I do wonder where Arturia got her name from. Was that really Merlin naming her that on purpose because she would end up fighting Morgan.

[TamamoRoute]

What do we know about the character named Capless (キャップレス)? A summary on reddit says he was a person from the Satsuma domain who came to London during the Edo period, how does that work, if true? Could it be somehow related to the crazy theory that Merlin = Abe no Seimei?

[MaxAkito]

He goes by Spriggan, he leads the Earth Clan. He fell into this world from PHH somehow, it's more of a isekai protagonist joke than anything

[fumei]

What do we know about the caracter named Capless (キャップレス)? A summary on reddit says he was a person from the Satsuma domain who came to London during the Edo period, how does that work, if true? Could it be somehow related to the crazy theory that Merlin = Abe no Seimei?

He was a japanese person from the edo period who came to London to look at art or some shit like that, and more or less he wandered into a fairy territory and was stuck in fairyland. He took the name Capless at some point, became partners with the actual Spriggan, and developed some sort of anti-aging serum eventually. In the end, he killed his partner and stole their name. When you confront him in Norwich, it's also implied that he's using magical perfurmes and stuff to prevent the other fairies from sensing he's human, and even that he may have performed pretty intrusive surgery on himself to give himself more fairy-like features.

It's a pretty short section, and I don't know if there's anything that really connects him to something else we know of, so it's literally just there for proper backstory. He's also not dead yet, so there's more to come from him, obviously.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

He was a japanese person from the edo period who came to London to look at art or some shit like that, and more or less he wandered into a fairy territory and was stuck in fairyland. He took the name Capless at some point, became partners with the actual Spriggan, and developed some sort of anti-aging serum eventually. In the end, he killed his partner and stole their name. When you confront him in Norwich, it's also implied that he's using magical perfurmes and stuff to prevent the other fairies from sensing he's human, and even that he may have performed pretty intrusive surgery on himself to give himself more fairy-like features.

It's a pretty short section, and I don't know if there's anything that really connects him to something else we know of, so it's literally just there for proper backstory. He's also not dead yet, so there's more to come from him, obviously.

That's pretty wild, truth be told. He got out of Japan during the Edo period.

[MaxAkito]

He was poor so he became a sailor or something iirc

[Comun]

It was at the very end of Edo. Japan was already sending exchange students to the British Empire and such. He failed his attempts to become an exchange student, so he became a sailor and went visiting all the art museums out there while off-duty.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

He was poor so he became a sailor or something iirc

Oh, that makes more sense.

[rxrx]

He did pretty considering how hostile the Fea land is, and he played an instrumental role in the showdown with Morgan.

[Reign]

Two of the goblins who helped Mash were also from PHH and fell into the Lostbelt, though I think they were always goblins. I wonder what causes this to happen when no other LB has it.

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Huh, so if it is true that "Vivian" was straight up Morgan all along, could we now have the identities of her three personalities, being Morgan/Morgause/Vivian... maybe?

I looked into it a bit more last night and it seems Holmes says Morgan developed these personalities to cope with the different roles she had laid out for her? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
So Vivian to fulfill her role as a fairy, Morgan for her desire to be queen, what would Morgause be for?

[rxrx]

Plenty of mysteries yet to be solved.

One thing I find it interesting is how C. Artoria really think of PHH and MC at the Garden of Dejection. She actually holds contempt for PHH and has only been paying lip service. While she respects MC, she also find him/her, I don't know the right word, disgusting? Not comprehensible for being able to stand up despite everything he/she face and willingly throw his/her lot in it?

[Reign]

Also this is purely me speculating but one possible way to explain the seeming contradiction of Vivian being a bunrei of the planet and Morgan being born to humans is if Nasu goes the Jesus route and says the planet put a baby in Igraine.

[rxrx]

Also this is purely me speculating but one possible way to explain the seeming contradiction of Vivian being the bunrei of the planet and Morgan being born to humans is if Nasu goes the Jesus route and says the planet put a baby in Igraine.

Everything is Holmes' hypothesis and not confirmed truth yet right?