Fate/Grand Order Story and Lore (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[Reign]

It feels like Percival only got the spear while Galahad is at another place questing for the grail? He sure doesn't have it when he fought and united the Longinus

Well at the end of the opera, Percival heals the Fisher King with the spear and then the Grail is revealed right there in the castle. However the Fisher King in the opera is Anfortas while in Fate he's Pellam, so already we're not 1:1 with the opera. In some other sources the Grail is what is needed to heal the Fisher King's wound, instead of it being the prize for healing him. Either way Pellam is closely connected to the Grail, the search for Longinus isn't just a side tangent.

[Comun]

So the Fate version of the Grail Quest is:

-Klingsor uses Kundry to get Balin and Pellam to fight
-Balin performs the Dolorous Stroke, Klingsor steals Longinus
-X time passes (I think traditionally it's years?)
-Somewhere in here Galahad gets David's sword and pulls out Balin's sword from its stone
-Percival redeems Kundry, defeats Klingsor, gets Longinus
-???? (presumably they heal Pellam with the spear and then he gives Galahad the Grail, even though it seems Percival did all the work)
-Galahad ascends to Heaven

I'm still hung up on Klingsor's claim about still needing to finish off the Fisher King, so what makes more sense to me is
-Klingsor uses Kundry to get Balin and Pellam to fight
-Balin performs the Dolorous Stroke, Klingsor steals Longinus (physical object)
-Balin gives Longinus (magical energy essence) to Percival
-Percival redeems Kundry, defeats Klingsor, reunifies Longinus
-X time passes (I think traditionally it's years?)
-Somewhere in here Galahad gets David's sword and pulls out Balin's sword from its stone
-Percival takes Bors and Galahad on the Grail Quest, it follows a different version very different from the opera
-Galahad ascends to Heaven

[rxrx]

I'm still hung up on Klingsor's claim about still needing to finish off the Fisher King, so what makes more sense to me is
-Klingsor uses Kundry to get Balin and Pellam to fight
-Balin performs the Dolorous Stroke, Klingsor steals Longinus (physical object)
-Balin gives Longinus (magical energy essence) to Percival
-Percival redeems Kundry, defeats Klingsor, reunifies Longinus
-X time passes (I think traditionally it's years?)
-Somewhere in here Galahad gets David's sword and pulls out Balin's sword from its stone
-Percival takes Bors and Galahad on the Grail Quest, it follows a different version very different from the opera
-Galahad ascends to Heaven

FGO ver. seems to be in this manner, with the conclusion being Galahad finding the grail and ascended to Heaven.

[Reign]

Makes sense.

The spear's energy and physical form got divided up in the interlude?

[Dragolord09]

If Kundry is to be merged with someone, wouldn't it make more sense for it to be someone like Blancheflor or her other selves in different stories like Kondviramur or Lufamour, or do they already consider them to be one and the same with Kundry?

[Byegod]

Im still a bit confused on witches myself, there related to fae stuff right?

[asterism42]

Witches are a type of fairy. They're associated with the First Magic. Beryl Gut and Alice Kuonji are both half-witch half-human.

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If Kundry is a Witch, that would mean Salome is part-witch, which explains a lot to be honest.

be interesting to compare her with beryl, at least

[Comun]

She's a witch as Kundry, but I don't think she was a witch as Herodias. She was a Valkyrie in one incarnation, so she can change species in her cycle.

[asterism42]

is she the fate equivalent of forrest gump? turning up everywhere in history like a fuckin time lord

[Comun]

I was thinking more in the terms of "She's Roa against her will" but I guess that's one way to put it.

[fumei]

Constantine XI's profile

[Byegod]

Thats quick

Would kundry retain her species traits across reincarnations i wonder...

[Lobo]

If Kundry is to be merged with someone, wouldn't it make more sense for it to be someone like Blancheflor or her other selves in different stories like Kondviramur or Lufamour, or do they already consider them to be one and the same with Kundry?

Tbh, there is no need to merge Kundry with any other character because she's based on Wolfram’s Parzival Cundrie the Sorceress

[Skull]

Tbh, there is no need to merge Kundry with any other character because she's based on Wolfram’s Parzival Cundrie the Sorceress

Well, “based on” in the sense that like most of Wagner’s characters it’s extreme broad strokes but yes I agree that there isn’t a need to merge her with anyone since she can easily stand on her own thanks to a distinct and fleshed out backstory.

[Reign]

She's a witch as Kundry, but I don't think she was a witch as Herodias. She was a Valkyrie in one incarnation, so she can change species in her cycle.

Yeah Requiem listed "Herod's wife" and "witch" separately so I don't think she was one as Herodias either.

It was from world to world that she wandered, reincarnating over and over, yet retaining her memories. Once, she had been a witch; once, the consort of King Herod II. It was even said that she was once a Valkyrie, one of the daughters of the Allfather Odin.

Also it alluded to her charm kiss:

Once more, I had been careless. Her Noble Phantasm had been neither her mount, nor her lips of awakening. It had not even crossed my mind that she might possess this spear, both blessed and cursed.

Glad to finally know what the heck Erice meant by that after all this time.

[Laserman]

Witches are a type of fairy.

They are? How?

Constantine the 11th:

STR: C
END: A
AGI: C
MAG: D
LUC: C
NP: EX

That's not good at all.

[Reign]

They are? How?

In Lostbelt 6 when Beryl is dying he has a flashback to his mom, who was a Witch, and she says they're a kind of fairy who aren't supposed to have kids with humans because it rots their souls. She says she's jealous of Alice from Mahoyo, who is a half-witch like Beryl is.

[Byegod]

reminded of that old mahoyo detail about how the ploys arent from the age of gods or whatever when talking bout like.. reversion to the age of gods? or whatever triat they talk about

[Laserman]

If you ever wonder why fairies do something strange or cruel it's because they're terrible and deserve to be purged.

I mean they are. Thinking back on it, they just freaking are.

Characterization of LB inhabitants are always hit or miss anyways. So far I stand by my opinion that LB1 and LB6 had the best characterization of their inhabitants.

The characterization of them being super terrible. Why would I want to read about them being terrible?

I also found it a bit weird with the "meta-commentary" she has in regards to OG Saber, but that might be something I'm not remembering enough about for it to make thematic sense in my head right now, but the parts where Castoria dreams/reflects on the life of OG Saber, a lot of it seems angry, reviled, and almost mocking at first, but later on I guess it does shift to less of a rejection of her ways and more of a "oh shit this is gonna be me too". The thing that sort of rubs me wrong about it is that you would think her character would act more like a thematic counterpart to OG Saber, who was a machine-like king for the sake of her country. But in the end, the payoff is more or less the same, with Castoria becoming a conceptual sword under the rule of the world. Just a bit weird.

That was terrible too, if anything, she should have been wishing she was more like her. That with the self doubt was just bad.

[fumei]

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The characterization of them being super terrible. Why would I want to read about them being terrible?

Well, at the end of the day the point isn't always to show why you should feel bad about the characters living there, or for the story to convince you that you actually do want to save them (so that you can then feel worse about not being able to when you inevitably have to cull the Lostbelt). The point, sometimes, like in LB6, is just to paint an "objective" picture of the people within this alternate history. The fairies were terrible, but on the surface it did not seem like that. That's what makes the whole story here, the transition from the initial like and empathy for the fairies, towards whatever you felt at the very end when they all show their true colors. Showing how "people" are shitty even when history is nothing like PHH is just as important as showing that there can be good people in the same scenario. And arguably, LB6 manages this by showing that despite so many fairies being absolutely terrible, Gudao & co still want to save some of them because they were truly good, but simply bound by circumstance.