Fate/Grand Order Story and Lore (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[fumei]

Just read Comun's TL in the other thread rather than deepl posted on reddit.

[TyrantOfKings]

What are the names of the Bells of Salvation? I remember they were named/titled quite a few pages ago but I can't find it atm.

[VTKajin]

We have no information on who wielded Excalibur against Sefar, right? Wonder if that has some connection to Avalon le Fae in PHH (I'm aware this is an LB-only thing, but...)

[OnesFleetingGlory]

I expect Lancelot and Percival to clash thanks to Aurora's machinations, and then Lancelot will get injured and that would be the reason why Lancelot dies.

Melusine and Percival will most likely fight, but I think the end result is different. There's that bit in the summary where he wish to break her 'curse', while she prefers to keep it in order to restrain herself.

At the end might be that Percival successfully broke that 'curse', but he also unwittingly made Melusine unable to suppress her nature as part of Albion, which led to her Third Ascension.

[fumei]

We have no information on who wielded Excalibur against Sefar, right? Wonder if that has some connection to Avalon le Fae in PHH (I'm aware this is an LB-only thing, but...)

Nothing, and it's more likely that Excalibur doesn't even exist in this LB and that is the divergence point. We know this is a world where Sefar "won" and destroyed practically everything, which means she was never stopped, and when Castoria is dreaming about Saber, she says something along the lines of "With her knights of the round, her loyal subjects, and XX in hand[...]", where the censored word is obviously supposed to be 聖剣. This makes me think that at the very least, Excalibur doesn't exist because it was never made by the planet, and at its most extreme, not even the concept of a "holy sword" exists here. You could also kinda support this by how there exists for example a staff of selection, a spear of selection, but no sword of selection which you'd think would be the most british thing.

[Reign]

Yeah if the divergence was 14,000 years ago when a comet was flying over the Earth then it's almost certainly a world where Sefar won. If she won the most likely explanation is that Excalibur was never forged to defeat her in the first place.

As for who used Excalibur back then in PHH it was probably just a native human of the era (the Primordial Saberface). I've seen some people suggest it was Saber summoned from the future by the Counter Force, but I like the idea of someone from that time handling it more.

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Although come to think of it, Cernunnos is a god, so if it was a world where Sefar won, and Sefar killed gods, then shouldn't Cernunnos not exist?

[Comun]

Going by Atlantis/Olympus, the Greek gods left huge mecha corpses that sunk along Olympus in PHH or became the Atlantis islands in the Lostbelt. Of course, different rules apply to different pantheons, but I don't see any reason to bet on Celt gods not having gargantuan physical bodies.

[Rafflesiac]

Come to think of it, would Kadoc be some Beryl finds tragic?

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Come to think of it, would Kadoc be some Beryl finds tragic?

Probably. He's pretty friendly to Kadoc in the few scenes they have together, I think?

Also, about Beryl, I find it interesting that he and Marisbury kept the secret of the true purpose of the Sirius Light or something between them that Kirschtaria only knew thanks to the Alien God.

[rxrx]

Or how about Cernunnos is Sefar instead.

[Deathhappens]

Nothing, and it's more likely that Excalibur doesn't even exist in this LB and that is the divergence point. We know this is a world where Sefar "won" and destroyed practically everything, which means she was never stopped, and when Castoria is dreaming about Saber, she says something along the lines of "With her knights of the round, her loyal subjects, and XX in hand[...]", where the censored word is obviously supposed to be 聖剣. This makes me think that at the very least, Excalibur doesn't exist because it was never made by the planet, and at its most extreme, not even the concept of a "holy sword" exists here. You could also kinda support this by how there exists for example a staff of selection, a spear of selection, but no sword of selection which you'd think would be the most british thing.

Wasn't Excalibur forged by fairies though? Or am I misremembering?

[AmADo VII]

there's interesting theory about original 6 fairies were supposed to be material of Excalibur.

because when clan's leader (A-ray) dies they become a bell which is metal.

also one of the reason Chaldea came to Camelot was to find stronger weapon than Black Barrel to fight U-Olga.

then who's gonna forge Excalibur? Muramasa of course.

[Reign]

Wasn't Excalibur forged by fairies though? Or am I misremembering?

Fairies are the planet in the same way True Ancestors are.
Oberon called the highest tier of fairy (using Vivian as an example) bunrei of the planet's soul.

[Zork Knight]

I'm still betting on Muramasa forging Marmyadoise for Castoria

Marmyadoise's schtick is being better than Excalibur afterall

[MaxAkito]

Eh, Marmydose seems to be her staff morphing like Morgan's did.

[Reign]

Does Muramasa have Hephaestus inside him or no? If yes I'd expect him to forge Marmyadose, since Hephaestus made it in PHH.

[Sssgth]

No, the second god inside him (not Hodr) was revealed to be Susano’o. Douman had three spirits inside of him, though, so Hephaestus could easily be in there without Muramasa telling us about it

[Gold Experience]

Muramasa is one of the three with Shirou as the basis just like Douman and Kirei

[Zork Knight]

Didn't Muramasa take something from Hephaestus in Atlantis/Olympus?

[Comun]

Took half of Hephaestus in Atlantis and brought it to Prometheus in Olympus so Prometheus could forge the summoning vessel we used for Quirinus.