Fate/Grand Order Story and Lore (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[CO9p5JMGv!p9]

The sprite comics are by far the worst part and any community that enables them deserves to burn

[palad1n]

Ah, I see. Those points make sense, yeah.

Though then again, sometimes FGO themselves reduce characters to one-note. Correct me if I'm wrong, but at least in NA Saber Lancelot has been reduced to a milf-hunter who gets Mashu's ire (or Mashu at least get an unknown feeling to smack him) for a while. Not saying I like it, because turning someone genuinely remorseful about what they did in life to a one-note joke is terrible, but I can see why people might get tempted to do that too when the game did it.

[Reign]

Oh it's absolutely a problem for some characters in the game too for sure, but it feels more widespread among the fanbase to me at least.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

I mean, is it really a surprise? Memes pass themselves along, and the best memes are the simple ones that somehow click even out of context.

[Zork Knight]

I have yet to laugh at a single sprite comic
The ones about the FSN pseudo-servants are particularly heinous

[Shlugo]

Yeah, GO reddit unfortunately buries interesting discussion while low effort memes and comics thrive.

[mami-kouga]

The fact that a lot of the old fanartists have moved on (either to newer games that give them more content they care for or just life stuff changing their schedule) certainly doesn't help, I think.

Well, the content I care for was on the low side in the first place since subreddits not explicitly for stuff with primarily female fans tends to be male dominated

[Deathhappens]

Not sure if this is what MaxAkito means but their tendency to reduce characters to one-word memes repeated over and over (ie Merlin is known for giving dicks and nothing else) sure does bug me.

That's not reddit, that's the community in a nutshell. Reddit is only one place where those congregate.

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They've consolidated most of their posts to "mega threads" which in concept create a cleaner reddit, however it comes at a bigger cost. Lots of serious discussion is killed and buried under thousands of "fluff posts". There's a filter, but that doesn't change the point because people tag some actual discussion as fluff for some god-forsaken reason. So you have to sift through hundreds of edits and images of anime girls to actually find anything relavent. I'm sure many people know by now that reddit is almost always the top result when you search something on google. This is incredible if you have a question or some niche thing you wanted to google. Mega threads bury this kind of stuff into the oblivion allowing you to search nothing. Granted, I agree with mega threads for gacha rolls, but when all the event discussion is FORCED to a singular thread- it kills discussion. NONE of this would be a problem if it wasn't for the fact r/grandorder is so extremely popular. The most popular place in the community by far, is there always 2-4k people active on it at a time. What Reign says also stands. Characters become all but joke one-notes due to them, and because it's such a central "hub" and that "hub" has such an influence on the community- yeah. Also they're entirely to blame for the atrocious nicknames like "Jalter", "Salter", and whatever the mess is that is "Lartoria". They expedited the spread of those TERRIBLE names so much that they reached Nasu of all people. They've also become a natural hub for people to talk about other TYPE-MOON works, instead of getting posted on the correct Reddit, or talking about their own game, You get posts like "Fate/Apocrypha Chapter 654354". So you have less people going through the respective channels to talk about said works- and instead using r/grandorder, which doesn't seem bad until you realize that if YOU want to talk about the work as well, most likely you have to use r/grandorder. Also they introduced the degeneracy that are sprite comics. I think that's probably the biggest negative impact on the community as whole, or maybe our eyes.

So tl;dr- They've limited discussion of not just FGO but other TM works, introduced terrible nicknames and sprite comics into the mainstream, and slaughtered characters.

This all boils down to, and it saddens me to say it, boomer talk. Reddit is not uniquely guilty of all these things; FGO itself, in its drive to become popular and accessible, has enabled and invited the type of community that thrives on this sort of low-effort content. You can find it on Facebook, on Twitter, on Instagram, on discord, pretty much everywhere "FGO players" tend to congregate. TM fans have become a minority.

[Synaptic Star]

That's not reddit, that's the community in a nutshell. Reddit is only one place where those congregate.

Sure, but the format of reddit, where the upvoted posts float to the top for everyone to see and the downvoted posts get dragged to the bottom for no one to see, makes it extra susceptible to lowest common denominator behavior.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

While this all seems somewhat true, I think the attitude expressed here is a tad bit elitist. It's not the end of the world that all that shit is happening, and there's no right or proper way to enjoy anything.

[Rafflesiac]

It's my way or the highway.

[Byegod]

While this all seems somewhat true, I think the attitude expressed here is a tad bit elitist. It's not the end of the world that all that shit is happening, and there's no right or proper way to enjoy anything.

"a tad"

Bit more than that, there are low effort memes everywhere, and the only reason some people are able to pretend X is better is because they dont go there or dont speak the language
Its like how many people in many communities will make fun of reddit but then they have a official subreddit and the big members use reddit as well

[mami-kouga]

I don't particularly have an attachment to reddit despite being on it for years myself, the sprite comics are my least favourite newer addition honestly. That being said, I'm not sure it can really be blamed for anything? I've had a worse experience in Fate Tumblr in comparison for example but really which social platform feels worse is kind of a YMMV

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Well, even if I say all that, I don't really have much to say about someone not wanting to share their stuff with reddit

[Deathhappens]

I don't particularly have an attachment to reddit despite being on it for years myself, the sprite comics are my least favourite newer addition honestly. That being said, I'm not sure it can really be blamed for anything? I've had a worse experience in Fate Tumblr in comparison for example but really which social platform feels worse is kind of a YMMV

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Well, even if I say all that, I don't really have much to say about someone not wanting to share their stuff with reddit

Everyrhing else aside, not wanting leaks to be shared with a platform thousands of people visit daily so as not to cause too much of a stir and potentially alert the JP side of things is entirely valid. I still remember the kerfuffle that caused the death of Viramate in GBF, for example.

[MaxAkito]

"a tad"

Bit more than that, there are low effort memes everywhere, and the only reason some people are able to pretend X is better is because they dont go there or dont speak the language
Its like how many people in many communities will make fun of reddit but then they have a official subreddit and the big members use reddit as well

To me it's not about having the "low effort content", it's about perpetuating it that is the problem to me. I couldn't really care less what other random site #500 does, because it doesn't effect me. I know Tumblr and Twitter have some TERRIBLE content on them- but it doesn't effect me. "Jalter" and "Salter" becoming cannon and used throughout the internet everywhere effects me. Having the low effort content from there thrown everywhere effects me. Their wide spread reach and advertisement potentially causing DW to tighten things up, especially right before Lostbelt 6, effects me. Maybe that's selfish I don't know I'm not the smartest person. I wouldn't call myself elitist though- I don't believe that just disliking something makes you elitist.

[Deathhappens]

I don't know why you assume all those things wouldn't happen regardless even if Reddit didn't exist.

[MaxAkito]

I don't know why you assume all those things wouldn't happen regardless even if Reddit didn't exist.

I didn't mean to come off that way if I did woops. I think the content based problems would still exist, maybe not some of the organization and moderation problems though. I regret mentioning my personal beefs with r/grandorder due to derailing the threads and perhaps stinging some people the wrong way, (I got some interesting DMs after I posted that), but the point would still stand that I don't think they should be posted there due to DW noticing, especially before LB6.

[Menwearpink]

Everyrhing else aside, not wanting leaks to be shared with a platform thousands of people visit daily so as not to cause too much of a stir and potentially alert the JP side of things is entirely valid. I still remember the kerfuffle that caused the death of Viramate in GBF, for example.

Didn't it turn out that like 70% of Viramate users were JP tho?

[Deathhappens]

Didn't it turn out that like 70% of Viramate users were JP tho?

Never saw any statistic like that and the Viramate dev certainly didn't keep any (afaik at least).

Either way, Viramate was working just fine until some salty Jap who saw a streamer using it started Angrily Tweeting Cygames, and we still don't have all the QoL it used to bring two years and change later. (Not to mention all the people that caught a ban to go along with it).

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Never saw any statistic like that and the Viramate dev certainly didn't keep any (afaik at least).

Either way, Viramate was working just fine until some salty Jap who saw a streamer using it started Angrily Tweeting Cygames, and we still don't have all the QoL it used to bring two years and change later. (Not to mention all the people that caught a ban to go along with it).

Maybe we should be careful not to accidentally use racial slurs here.