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Thread: Fate/Grand Order Story and Lore (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

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    Quote Originally Posted by fumei View Post
    I don't think it's the same as a a reality marble, actually. Like a reality marble is a manifestation of your 心象世界, but you can have an 心象世界 without being so twisted it turns into another view on reality (or in nu-TM terms, just having one cuz it's cool). The way it sounds to me is that the staff manifests the 心象世界, and based on some other mats stuff (MB's entry for white len, for example), we know that people probably just have their own 心象世界 without them necessarily being so deviated from reality.

    But then again, it'll probably be the same as a reality marble, just that she can't manifest it herself and the staff does it for her.
    I mean You compared it to a RM, so there is that. Besides, you don't need a twisted mentality for a RM, just an inner world and the ability to manifest it. The twisted stuff was old hat before Shirou got one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpoonyViking View Post
    To be fair, that's accurate to the sources (Merlin says Marmyadoise is stronger than Excalibur, which is why Arthur gave the latter to Gawain), and it seems to be stronger only in terms of destructive power ("in power *alone*"). Plus, it's not representative of her kingship, unlike Excalibur.
    I'm aware, but the problem I imeant was that unlike the IRL legend which is a hodgepodge of stories by many authors with little hard canon between them (thus Marmyadose existing in "X story" doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things), the TM version of Artoria's life is a continuity of actually lived experiences so just casually dropping in the extremely powerful Marmyadose without further context raises a huge number of questions.

    It's just me making a nitpick tbh. It doesn't really matter.
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    I wonder if Marmyadose was forged for the Gigantomachia since the Gigas were remnants of Sefar and might have retained her absorption ability.
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    Marymyadose being stronger than Excalibur makes sense cuz that's how it was in the myth as well, what I'm most curious about is that it's a Mythical/Mythlogical Mystic Code/Armament, wonder what that means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cylascream View Post
    Marymyadose being stronger than Excalibur makes sense cuz that's how it was in the myth as well, what I'm most curious about is that it's a Mythical/Mythlogical Mystic Code/Armament, wonder what that means.
    There was a powerup in Extra CCC with the same name that buffed the playable servants so that they could fight BB with her earth mother goddess authorities.
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    Yup, and I saw someone else mentioning the thing that allowed melt to go beyond the speed of light in CCC event was also a mythic code too.

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    Welp, given it's more than likely Castoria who will be our Artoria rep for LB6, I'm guessing regular saber isn't going to show up there, so that's annoying.

    Also, does every new Artoria need to be stronger lore-wise than the Original?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skull View Post
    It's just me making a nitpick tbh. It doesn't really matter.
    Nah, it makes sense! To be honest, I doubt the writers will go beyond "it's a cool reference", but maybe they'll surprise us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Castoria Bond CE
    "This is surely how you will prevail.To meet the other me, with not a single similarity, and not a single difference.


    The first bell brings darkness. The second bell brings falsehood. The third bell brings glory. The fourth bell brings truth. The fifth bell brings certainty. The sixth bell brings light.


    The voices of the bells ring out across the promised land.


    For the once and future King, who will one day live again. For the dawn of the true tomorrow that will surely come someday."
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    He's just putting the bone of his sword into other people until it explodes and lets out parts of him inside them.
    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerEmiya View Post
    Genderswaps are terrible, but I think I and other people would hate them less if Fate didn't keep ignoring actual heroines throughout history and folklore. Like, why bother turning Francis Drake into a woman when Ching Shih and Grace O'Malley exist?
    Quote Originally Posted by Five_X View Post
    Fate Zero is just Fate Stay Night for people who think Shirou is too girly

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    I guess it will make more sense after LB6.

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    The CE is called 'The Promised Time', btw
    Quote Originally Posted by Sandstorm77 View Post
    He's just putting the bone of his sword into other people until it explodes and lets out parts of him inside them.
    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerEmiya View Post
    Genderswaps are terrible, but I think I and other people would hate them less if Fate didn't keep ignoring actual heroines throughout history and folklore. Like, why bother turning Francis Drake into a woman when Ching Shih and Grace O'Malley exist?
    Quote Originally Posted by Five_X View Post
    Fate Zero is just Fate Stay Night for people who think Shirou is too girly

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    Quote Originally Posted by asterism42 View Post
    The first bell brings darkness.
    The evening bell announces the first Grand we've seen, Grand Assassin, the class who hides in darkness to kill. 暗殺 even has the kanji for dark.

    Quote Originally Posted by asterism42 View Post
    The second bell brings falsehood.
    The second Grand was Solomon, a Caster who removed himself from reality. And I guess later had his husk filled by the falsehood he created (Goetia).

    Quote Originally Posted by asterism42 View Post
    The third bell brings glory.
    Third Grand was Orion and he did awesome stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by asterism42 View Post
    The fourth bell brings truth.
    Fourth was Quirinus, the guy with the civilization-making powers that can potentially overwrite the alien god's fictional worlds, maybe.

    Quote Originally Posted by asterism42 View Post
    The fifth bell brings certainty.
    Assuming the Grand with Daybit is Berserker, Grand Rider will either appear in Hell Mandala, appear in LB6 and fail to solve the problem with our glorious series mascot's help, or appear in the first half of LB6 if it gets the LB5 treatment.

    Quote Originally Posted by asterism42 View Post
    The sixth bell brings light.
    Grand Saber will be the once and future king, this other Arthuria with no similarity or differences.

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    I assumed it'd just be Dark Souls LB6 mechanics.
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    It's a Nasu chapter, so yeah, that makes a lot more sense.

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    What if Grand Saber is a living Saber returned from Avalon

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    That would make her a crappy Grand, given that she got her ass thoroughly indoctrinated by a nascent threat to humanity in Heaven's Feel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Five_X View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reign View Post
    What if Grand Saber is a living Saber returned from Avalon
    That's exactly Arthur's situation right now
    I mean, not sure on the alive part, but he is a "Saber kick out and send to work returned from Avalon"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marros View Post
    Welp, given it's more than likely Castoria who will be our Artoria rep for LB6, I'm guessing regular saber isn't going to show up there, so that's annoying.

    Also, does every new Artoria need to be stronger lore-wise than the Original?
    I mean saying she’s stronger than the original is an assumption. That said she likely has more because she isn’t actually a servant but instead a lostbelt person.

    Beyond that we don’t even know in what way Herc Sword is stronger. For all we know it’s a super anti-unit sword or a doubles strength stat sword or something.

    With what we’ve seen so far I think Saber mana bursts past most beams and outswords her as a king, Saber, and someone with better stats+instinct if we had to do a silly 1v1 debate anyway.

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    Btw, didn't saw it mention, but Caster Artoria's NP changes name on her third ascention:
    ラウンド・オブ・アヴァロン
    真円集う約束の星

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marros View Post
    Welp, given it's more than likely Castoria who will be our Artoria rep for LB6, I'm guessing regular saber isn't going to show up there, so that's annoying.

    Also, does every new Artoria need to be stronger lore-wise than the Original?
    If Artoria is Grand Saber then I imagine she'll be saved for the grand finale rather than being used in a penultimate LB.


    Side note, if LB Artoria never became king, then maybe the LB King is Saber Morgan. Also, Castoria's bond line about Medb essentially confirms Mab/Titania is in LB6, furthering confirming an Irish presence.
    Last edited by VTKajin; August 10th, 2020 at 06:40 PM.

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