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    Quote Originally Posted by Oz1337 View Post
    I find QSH plan to be reasonable, put a backup plan in case everything fails. It's not like he's planning to betray Guda once everything is over, he's basically making sure that, if they fail, that there's an alternative for him to follow so humanity still survives.

    It's quite refreshing that from all Lostbelt Kings there's still one that hasn't given up on his goals yet.
    Except this plan is the metaphysical equivalent of someone planting a bomb in your basement with the explanation that he's only going to detonate it if your house gets taken over by terrorists. Even if you fully trust him to do what he said, he still put a BOMB in your HOUSE.
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    anyone felt Sion was acting unusual towards Qin?

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    Also, I'm not sure I understand the plan- if Guda fails, Proper Human History goes byebye and the world's history has retroactively always been whatever Lostbelt's won, right? How will creating Singularities in Proper Human History enable him to backdoor Megachina into whatever Lostbelt wins?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    Except this plan is the metaphysical equivalent of someone planting a bomb in your basement with the explanation that he's only going to detonate it if your house gets taken over by terrorists. Even if you fully trust him to do what he said, he still put a BOMB in your HOUSE.
    Guda has always been a doormat with infinite tolerance for chronic backstabbers (Mephisto, Amakusa) and if Summer 2019 is any indication he'll even let his Servants go around killing innocents by the side, compared to that this is almost reasonable. It's not out of what little character he has to go along with people making questionable moves while still acknowledging them as trusted allies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    Also, I'm not sure I understand the plan- if Guda fails, Proper Human History goes byebye and the world's history has retroactively always been whatever Lostbelt's won, right? How will creating Singularities in Proper Human History enable him to backdoor Megachina into whatever Lostbelt wins?
    As revealed in LB5, the whole LB plot was a lie. Its purpose was to prepare a body for the alien god to descend. Originally only LB5 was chosen due to its quality. The 6 other LBs were only added later on by Kirshtaria's demand. He told the alien god that he won't go with the plan unless his friends are also revived and given a fair chance.

    The alien god could not descend if the planet was not blanked, so the order of the blanking was backwards. Kirshtaria knew about this, so he tampered with the tree in LB5 which was supposed to be the alien god's body. He summoned Atlas inside said tree so that he can jam the descending of the alien god, then use the magic energy to turn all surviving humans on the planet into gods and use Atlas' ability to make LB the new texture. Plan failed, alien god still arrives, LB5 destroyed.

    So the blanking of the planet is actually more like freezing the time tree. singularities and such are still there, but they lie dormant and you can rayshift there to take them out (hence events like Ooku and Enmatei could happen). And the alien god did not need any LBs at all. Once it was done descending, it was about to consume the entire LB5 for a meal. Basically all LBs will eventually get wiped out by the alien god anyways, after it got the desired body. So it doesn't matter which one win, the strongest tree would become its body and it will feast on said winner too.


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    What are the odds the Alien God is a body-hopping space microorganism like Quetzalcoatl?

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    Considering the Ultraman reference (alien god wanting to fight ORT and Nasu said you need to call Ultraman for ORT, plus there is an Ultrawoman name Marie)...maybe.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OverMaster View Post
    Guda has always been a doormat with infinite tolerance for chronic backstabbers (Mephisto, Amakusa) and if Summer 2019 is any indication he'll even let his Servants go around killing innocents by the side, compared to that this is almost reasonable. It's not out of what little character he has to go along with people making questionable moves while still acknowledging them as trusted allies.
    What Guda thinks about this is immaterial since he wasn't told about it, but the fact that Sion and Holmes specifically didn't want him to know shows that they clearly don't think he's just going to handwave it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lily Emilio View Post
    As revealed in LB5, the whole LB plot was a lie. Its purpose was to prepare a body for the alien god to descend. Originally only LB5 was chosen due to its quality. The 6 other LBs were only added later on by Kirshtaria's demand. He told the alien god that he won't go with the plan unless his friends are also revived and given a fair chance.

    The alien god could not descend if the planet was not blanked, so the order of the blanking was backwards. Kirshtaria knew about this, so he tampered with the tree in LB5 which was supposed to be the alien god's body. He summoned Atlas inside said tree so that he can jam the descending of the alien god, then use the magic energy to turn all surviving humans on the planet into gods and use Atlas' ability to make LB the new texture. Plan failed, alien god still arrives, LB5 destroyed.

    So the blanking of the planet is actually more like freezing the time tree. singularities and such are still there, but they lie dormant and you can rayshift there to take them out (hence events like Ooku and Enmatei could happen). And the alien god did not need any LBs at all. Once it was done descending, it was about to consume the entire LB5 for a meal. Basically all LBs will eventually get wiped out by the alien god anyways, after it got the desired body. So it doesn't matter which one win, the strongest tree would become its body and it will feast on said winner too.
    The part about the other Lostbelts existing due to Kirschtaria's existence was actually explained in LB2. So if the alien god wins, there's not going to be any history left on the planet? (Proper History blanked+ no Lostbelts to take its place). Setting aside how that would work, how would Singularities even do anything in the present when there IS no present?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    So if the alien god wins, there's not going to be any history left on the planet? (Proper History blanked+ no Lostbelts to take its place). Setting aside how that would work, how would Singularities even do anything in the present when there IS no present?
    No. Like I said our history is still there, but frozen, together with a bunch of singularities. Even if you win, you'll still have to go to those singularities to take them out at the end of the day. Singularities can grow into a LB. So even if there is no way to bring our full time tree back, QSH can basically turn it into a brand new LB texture and find a way to pin it down the planet to make it the new history. Kirshtaria summoned also Atlas for this purpose, Atlas has the Authority to do pin the texture down. So during the course of working with Chaldea, QSH can look into what is available in our history that is similar to Rhongo or Atlas to make his brand new super China the new texture.

    The troublesome part is not about making new history from blank, it's about dealing with the alien god. If we lose, QSH will take over as the protector of panhuman history, so he basically will be the next in the line to fight against the alien god. As to how would he do that when we failed to do so, we don't know. If he's really confident that he can pull that off after we lost, then he definitely already had something else planned. The man has layers upon layers of plans.


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    So be doesn't just share a seiyuu with Lelouch... seriously though, this guy has given Code Geass vibes since LB3.
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    Speaking of which, Sieg says, Siegfried doesn't remember fighting Fafnir. Comparing it to chess or shogi, making a single mistake is fatal and doesn't remember how he beat it. Sigurd says it's common, even if he remembers winning against Fafnir, if ask how he fought, he'll wonder how. When asked if he used the sword, he says yes, but feels strange, since he remembers more daily lives than fierce battles. He wonders if that's all right.
    So Siegfried remembers the fight but not how he won, and Sigurd remembers how he won but not the fight.

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    So be doesn't just share a seiyuu with Lelouch... seriously though, this guy has given Code Geass vibes since LB3.
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    To be fair, QSH is more like successful Schneizel, but he has Lelouch's willingness to admit when he's wrong and now, a belief in ideological struggle.
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    Now I'm curious, are Brunhilde and Brynhildr written exactly the same in Japanese?

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    Well that ending was cute. Bryn didn't even stab him this time.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zork Knight View Post
    Now I'm curious, are Brunhilde and Brynhildr written exactly the same in Japanese?
    Googling it, Japanese Wikipedia does take note of the various spellings at least: ブリュンヒルド (Brynhildr), ブリュンヒルデ (Brünnhilde), ブリュンヒルト (Brünhilt) etc etc.
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