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    Really hoping they show off Danzou's Moonflower as the kill shot on Douman. I'd be such a sick way to finish him off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comun View Post
    da Vinci said Cthulhu mythos can't be proven real, and he answered that nothing from outer space can be proven real. The fact Ishtar's NP is pulling Venus from the Sumerian texture, and it's completely unrelated to the real planet Venus, corroborates his claim by showing that what we see in the sky is still part of the texture.
    Is this implying the Moon Landing was a hoax? What about Voyager?

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    I think it's a bit deeper and more complicated than that. I'd say it ties into how the human texture, or rather the extent of the "human awareness", affects something much further beyond just Earth. For example Ayala (mankind) is the thing that governs pruning/timelines which surely affects the entire solar system at the very least, then you also have that tie into Suzuka's NP. I think Mizu talked about this at some point but I can't find it so I'll just paraphrase my own paraphrasing here:

    In Buddhism the universe is made of 3 billion solar systems (a great trichiliocosm). A galaxy is made of 3000 solar systems (a small trichiliocosm), and 1000 small trichiliocosms make up a trichiliocosm, which actually aligns with the real scale of galaxies, galaxy clusters, and superclusters. so you have that 1 galaxy = 1 sanzensekai (3000 worlds), 1000 galaxies (a galaxy cluster) = 1 sanzendaisekai, and 1000 galaxy clusters (a supercluster) = the sanzendaisensekai. So you can extrapolate from here and do some LB theorizing and think about how a fantasy tree has a galaxy inside it, but it also represents an entire timeline (or texture, but whatever), which is a lostbelt. This sort of supports that a timeline is somehow connected to a galaxy, and then with Suzuka's NP (Trichiliocosm) she can see every and all timelines, and that connection makes itself, pretty much.

    It's kinda rambling but the point is that there's some deeper connection between space (galaxies and clusters and the universe at large) and textures/timelines. It's not that none of it is "real" like we didn't land on the moon because it's not actually there or anything, but there's definitely something fucky with the whole interaction between the human texture/scale of human awareness and the rest of the universe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zork Knight View Post
    Is this implying the Moon Landing was a hoax? What about Voyager?
    Not "hoax", just "part of the texture". That's may be the reason the multiverse pruning is managed by Alaya alone, by the way. The whole universe may be manipulated or even created by human preconceptions.
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    There must be alien textures, since there are aliens like the ones who created Chaos and the Olympians by extension, as well as whoever created Sefar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fumei View Post
    I think it's a bit deeper and more complicated than that. I'd say it ties into how the human texture, or rather the extent of the "human awareness", affects something much further beyond just Earth. For example Ayala (mankind) is the thing that governs pruning/timelines which surely affects the entire solar system at the very least, then you also have that tie into Suzuka's NP. I think Mizu talked about this at some point but I can't find it so I'll just paraphrase my own paraphrasing here:

    In Buddhism the universe is made of 3 billion solar systems (a great trichiliocosm). A galaxy is made of 3000 solar systems (a small trichiliocosm), and 1000 small trichiliocosms make up a trichiliocosm, which actually aligns with the real scale of galaxies, galaxy clusters, and superclusters. so you have that 1 galaxy = 1 sanzensekai (3000 worlds), 1000 galaxies (a galaxy cluster) = 1 sanzendaisekai, and 1000 galaxy clusters (a supercluster) = the sanzendaisensekai. So you can extrapolate from here and do some LB theorizing and think about how a fantasy tree has a galaxy inside it, but it also represents an entire timeline (or texture, but whatever), which is a lostbelt. This sort of supports that a timeline is somehow connected to a galaxy, and then with Suzuka's NP (Trichiliocosm) she can see every and all timelines, and that connection makes itself, pretty much.

    It's kinda rambling but the point is that there's some deeper connection between space (galaxies and clusters and the universe at large) and textures/timelines. It's not that none of it is "real" like we didn't land on the moon because it's not actually there or anything, but there's definitely something fucky with the whole interaction between the human texture/scale of human awareness and the rest of the universe.
    It would be pretty simple to explain as "our texture has a moon that's a giant rock thst reflects sunlight, while AoG textures had it be a magic chariot/the eye of some god/a lantern put there by another god/whatever".
    But textures are somehow confined to the planet Earth despite clearly encompassing much more than it (since Ishtar can pull out Venus or whatever).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    It would be pretty simple to explain as "our texture has a moon that's a giant rock thst reflects sunlight, while AoG textures had it be a magic chariot/the eye of some god/a lantern put there by another god/whatever".
    But textures are somehow confined to the planet Earth despite clearly encompassing much more than it (since Ishtar can pull out Venus or whatever).
    My understanding has always been that Ishtar's Venus wasn't Venus sized and that Kirchstaria's stars weren't star sized, because they were basically what humanity thought stars were back in the day (so everything much smaller than earth).

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    Imaginary Scramble Chapter 4 part 6. The accuse the culprit scene.

    Quote Originally Posted by SirGauoftheSquareTable View Post
    There must be alien textures, since there are aliens like the ones who created Chaos and the Olympians by extension, as well as whoever created Sefar.
    Not even getting to Velber, Olympians and Outer Gods, the Solar System Types existing is are already enough proof that the other planets have their own textures, and those look very different from what we can observe from Earth.
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    maybe humans just imagined those things into existence
    i mean, if nasu can do it, why can't humanity within his setting

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    this just in type moon lore tries to have its cake and eat it too

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    remind me of something. In lostbelt 4, when they say that Daybit's servant is a grand class, do they mean on the level of a grand or an actual grand?

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    It's an actual Grand, no caveats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bureno View Post
    remind me of something. In lostbelt 4, when they say that Daybit's servant is a grand class, do they mean on the level of a grand or an actual grand?
    Actual grand, QSH on LB3 is who was said to have a saint graph on the level of a grand (hinting that PHH QSH could be candidate for it)
    Which class is Daybit's grand is unknown though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobo View Post
    (hinting that PHH QSH could be candidate for it)
    Is it, though? I mean, he became Grand-tier by dedicating the entire human population to strengthening himself, not due to any anti-Beast compatibility or w/e. I'm not saying he couldn't be a Grand in PHH, but there is nothing to suggest so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comun View Post
    Not even getting to Velber, Olympians and Outer Gods, the Solar System Types existing is are already enough proof that the other planets have their own textures, and those look very different from what we can observe from Earth.
    Yeah like ORT's Crystal Valley is supposed to be overwriting the world with its home's texture (right?), and there's nothing like that terrain in our solar system, at least not in human awareness reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CO9p5JMGv!p9 View Post
    Is it, though? I mean, he became Grand-tier by dedicating the entire human population to strengthening himself, not due to any anti-Beast compatibility or w/e. I'm not saying he couldn't be a Grand in PHH, but there is nothing to suggest so.
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    Holmes commented about it that if it was on PHH, then QSH's Saint Graph would be equivalent to a Grand and wondered why his class turn out to be a Ruler in that case, there is nothing saying that QSH strengthened himself to Grand level but QSH does says that they made that body after studying Akuta and the Fusang tree, not by dedicating the entire human population to it. Guess it could be argue whether QSH already has the capacity or needs that specific body to count as one, not sure now tbh

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    He wouldn't be able to make that body if he hadn't conquered the world, built himself a giant computer body and used that giant computer body to analyze and copy Hinako. So yes, the resources of the entirety of his people plus an Elemental willing to help were needed to get to that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobo View Post
    Holmes commented about it that if it was on PHH, then QSH's Saint Graph would be equivalent to a Grand and wondered why his class turn out to be a Ruler in that case
    That means Shi Huang's zhenren body could be confused for a Grand, if it weren't for the two big pieces of evidence that show he's not a real Grand. That is, him being a Lostbelt "Servant" and him being an Extra Class.

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    Wasnt the whole texture thing kind of like a reality marble on a global scale? Like you think you're digging to the center of the earth but in actuality you're still within the texture? Probably the same thing with space. Now as for the velber or the types im guessing they somehow can intrude within the texture and the planets they represent is nothing how humans thought it was ie venus is a frozen wasteland, mars has two rings, jupiter is made of diamond or some things like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by asterism42 View Post
    this just in type moon lore tries to have its cake and eat it too

    in other breaking news we are sad to announce the death of queen victoria
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