Constantine defending Istanbul happened and look at the mess of Beowulf's namesake.Originally Posted by Sssgth
Constantine defending Istanbul happened and look at the mess of Beowulf's namesake.
Hedge your bets now, folks.
Money on them not even bringing it up remotely.
I wish I could be so optimistic
Now I actually want more gods involved.
The most obvious one is Kaguya-hime.
Yeah, and other moon or moon rabbit deities would come next in mind.
The all jobbed to Crimson Moon and AB.
They're classified as Planetary Spirit, a rank higher than Divine Spirit, so that's a natural conclusion.
Well, the Abrahamic God might be Alaya, and the Church is a pretty big part of Tsuki
Will be Arcueid who came to Japan at some point hundreds of years ago
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The bamboo cutter will be a Shiki Pseudoservant
Bamboo cutter and his wife are foster parents of Kaguya hime. So we gonna have Arcueid NTRed the old guy and kill her foster mom?
The prince will be the Shiki pseudoservant, not the bamboo cutter.
They'll just be like Ryougi. Don't think too hard about it or expect them to tie some myth into it imo since they'll just be the Tsukihime characters as they are probably.
I won't blame you for being massively uninformed in this subject, but you are very wrong about this. Amaterasu deserves all of the "wank" here even if you don't consider the Buddhism aspect, specifically coming from Chinese origin perspective.
Modern researchers on the influence of Chinese myth in Japan agreed that Amaterasu is based on the sun goddess Xihe and she is pulled directly from the Sanhaijing, a book about yokai and Chinese mythology imported from China, then adapted into the Kojiki and Nihon Shoki.
Xihe is the mother of the ten sun birds in the story about the hero Hou Yi shooting 9 out of 10 of them down. These sun birds have 3 legs, and are later known as the Yatagarasu - Amaterasu's messenger - in Shinto. Xihe not only shares mythical functions with Amaterasu (being the sun goddess, and the ONLY one in the East Asia culture sphere beside Amaterasu), she also lives in a "country in the Eastern sea named after her, where the divine tree Fusang is located" (It's basically description of Japan, its name being Wa (倭/和) at the time is the same He (和) in Xihe, Fusang is also one of its name, and Xu Fu while on the way to search for immortality for Qin Shi Huang later stranded to Japan). So you have this sun goddess who is the chief god of this land of the rising sun in the Eastern sea, jeez I wonder if Amaterasu is just Xihe but adapted to Shinto in a different name and different origin.
But it is not the end, no. In Sanhaijing, Xihe is depicted together with her sister - the Moon goddess Changxi, and these 2 have naga-like bodies (human upper half and snake lower half) while also carrying the sun and the moon in their hands respectively. Close inspection of the ancient illustration could not identify whether both these figures are female, or one male and one female. And coincidentally, there indeed ANOTHER couple of deities with naga-like bodies, carrying the sun and the moon respectively in their hands, in earlier Chinese mythology: Fuxi and Nuwa. That's right, the modern interpretation is that Xihe is an incarnation of Fuxi (the Xi in Fuxi is the same Xi in Xihe too) and Changxi is that of Nuwa, similar to how Yuanshi Tianzun is said to be an incarnation of the primordial god Pangu.
TLDR: Fuxi, one of the chief primordial gods of Chinese mythology -> incarnated as Xihe the sun goddess of a country that is pretty much Japan -> adapted and reimagined as Amaterasu in the Kojiki and Nihon Shoki. Therefore immensely more superior than Daji ever hope to be.
In hindsight, it makes perfect sense that Nuwa was the one who recruited the golden nine-tailed fox and later was the one to subdue her completely in Investiture of the Gods. And now that I think about it, Taigong did not chant Fuxi in his world egg creation spell in Tunguska. He mentioned Nuwa, but not Fuxi who is supposed to be her duo partner. It might be nothing, or Nasu had awakened to galaxy brain after reading the Sanhaijing.
Last edited by Lily Emilio; May 23rd, 2022 at 02:46 AM.
Strange. Chinese mythology usually focus on Houyi shooting down the 9 suns instead of the suns themselves. Some version of the legend even has it that he incurred the wrath of Gods for doing so despite doing a great favor for the people, so they lure Chang E away from him using the immortal pill and have her fly to the moon. This version of the tale has the gods passed down Houyi was a tyrant and his wife left because of his actions and search for immortality instead, ruining his name and also discourage people from working against the wills of heaven.
It is probably due to it being both an inhuman feat and also a sin. In the grand scheme of things, it did not matter because he only killed the sun birds and not Xihe, she doesn't seem to bother with that either, dude just kill 9 out of 10 of her children and it was nothing. I guess her sun chariot (so she is like Apollo too) also can be pulled by six dragons, or the Azure Dragon of the East Qinglong in some documents, not just the birds, so it didn't affect her job much or sth.
It feels one of the more obvious bias'd elements considering japan conveniently gets all its magic shit cause muh islands excuse. As I said in the unpopular opinions thread
'They should have never defined when the AOG ended or when magic disappeared ' as now we just get these shitty excuses as why X doesnt but Y does get its gods and magic
But on syncrenetism : The fundamental issue of syncrenetism I have in fate is that it only feels to serve certain characters, I'm not even saying powerlevels here. But it's to draw a focus or create a higher importance. It's only ever done sparingly to "prop up" characters it feels. Skadi and scathath.. (Remember when scathath apparently had a super god form or whatever that cu and all the students together couldn't beat or whatever. Feels like that was forgotten)
One issue is that its a waste of multiple figures being diluted into one, for example most European and hindu myths have a common origin, but the divergences are just as important as there commonalities. As they integrated with local folklore, the general vibe or narrative of the mythologies and religions and so on makes them all have different flavors and ideas and its a waste to take two myths with commonalities and merge them together 99% of the time.
If you don't like Comparative Mythology in your historical fiction feel free to read a real history book instead.
Are you not reading what I'm saying, I'm saying that it feels self serving or to prop up characters than anything else and that it wastes myths.
This isnt SMT where I can summon a god, then the fusion god version separately. I mean the whole ammy-vairocana stuff may just be yet another stupid fucking smt reference considering the fusion material for vairocana in smt 1 has fucking amaterasu as one.
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