Fate/EXTRA Last Encore

Oh god,It's already begun.

Originally Posted by Rafflesiac

Wait wait, I've got it, Amari has Servant Ruler, who is Rin and Rani's Master, and Ruler will be revealed for Extella Link

thay ruler is Swimsuit Martha

It began before the anime even started my dude, thank God it'll stop soon.

Can't rule it out until that BD bonus drama CD about Amari comes out

Hopefully it'll die down if we get some short Twice flashbacks of him losing the war with Tamamo before Saver summoned himself

Or maybe they would show Shizuka stabbed Tamamo so everybody can shut up about fox nine husband

Originally Posted by Symposium Magarum

Oh god,It's already begun.

This was made after like the second episode or something, fyi

Originally Posted by savepoints

This was made after like the second episode or something, fyi

Someone on Twitter posted it, Along with some crazy theory that she was Tamamo.

Wow, there's been a lot of clarification in the time since I've posted here. Yet I really don't feel that upset about it not being "clearer". Huh! Maybe it's because it's not so much that it feels like Nasu is leaving most of this information just on the website, but it feels like Nasu is hiding more clues to such information in plain view. Like other works of mystery fiction, you may only catch onto these earlier clues after a rewatch, once you know the answers these clues point to. We still have more episodes left (does no one really know how many there are left?), so maybe some of the web-highlighted answers being complained about could get further clarification in future episodes anyway.

Like, WHAM, Kirei saying what he did at the end of episode 1 makes much more sense in hindsight. It may have not been good to make his comments any clearer, though, since the "it's been 1000 years actually" revelation was meant to be held onto until the end of episode 4.

Originally Posted by ScarfDyedShadow

Kirei even mentions that the preliminaries have been endlessly looping at the end of Episode 1.

"A long time ago, the Holy Grail War was abandoned. The activities conducted in this artificial paradise were but a mere echo of the past. The garden of the defeated. The unchanging outcome. However, a miracle has occurred."

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Originally Posted by Kotonoha

The moon cell ran a simulation of the prelims for 1000 years (I guess) which had the same results every time
Then one time since it detects SERAPH ending, the records of the defeated produce HAKUNO and by some miracle he survives and is able to leave


The connection exists on HAKUNO's part whether they were technically his memories or not but everyone already picked up on Shinji not knowing HAKUNO when they meet on the 1st floor

e: Now that I think about it this is similar to Extra where Hakuno didn't actually experience the prelims but instead came to life as they were ending and took the place of a dead guy while mistaking his memories (of being friends with Shinji, etc) as theirs

OK, so I'll try to check for understanding here, based on koto's post above and others' posts...

• the preliminaries looped for 1000 years. The last day of the Prelims, played out in episode 1, happens when Chakravartin has long been established. (Now has Chakravartin been established for almost 1000 years then?)
• As the prelims themselves are caught in a looping cycle, the Seven Lunar Seas (or whatever you call that "world outside" the academy where the Servant battles are actually fought-- what do you call "that world" in Moon Cell again?) are stagnant thanks to the Grail War breaking down. No War is being presently fought. (Now have multiple Grail Wars been fought within these 1000 years, with each looped preliminary "feeding" contestants into each war? Or is really just one long war that's been stretched out and all-but-abandoned over 1000 years, implying that the preliminaries looped back to the start every time a 129th Master didn't successfully emerge?)
• The Mayor Shinji that we see in episode 2-3 isn't the exact same one HAKUNO/the audience sees in episode 1. And YET, he shares experience in the same kind of event that HAKUNO experienced-- as Hakuno was stabbed by a Shinji, Mayor Shinji had stabbed someone just like HAKUNO. Though Mayor Shinji's friend may have not been the HAKUNO we know, I wonder if there came a point where he recognized that HAKUNO may as well have been his friend anyway, as he's had that position as "Shinji's friend" before. Why else would Shinji have been about to proclaim that HAKUNO was his "best friend" before he passed on? (I never actually had the impression that Shinji didn't completely not-recognize him. Even when they showed Shinji's flashback of him killing his friend against a school hallway backdrop, I thought that was just a literal representation of the hallway that was reddened and abstracted in the first episode.)

That last bullet point's extra speculation potentially-aside, is my understanding based on what we have so far correct?

(By the way, now that Koto's mentioned it, I do personally recall that the OG Prologue also had Hakuno apparently mistaking his memories of Shinji being his friend, leading him to being confused why Shinji didn't recognize him. Neat connection.)

EDIT: Oh, I forgot to leave this in while editing my post... I have a question about something I tripped over while following earlier conversation.

Originally Posted by Kotonoha

I was just responding to "something he was unable to do for 1000 years loop but somehow (unexplained too) he got it just now" which isn't a case of the anime not explaining something essential but of Mizukume reading the column incorrectly, so idk

I guess this is saying that Mizukume misunderstood some information that the website actually did provide... but the "column" you're referring to that Mizukume misread was a keyword entry on the website, right? And if that's the case, looking at this... wasn't something said in the show already about HAKUNO not being the same as all the other Hakunos/whoevers that fought in the prelims' previous loops? Meaning that what the website published in this particular instance wasn't all new information? Sorry for retreading old ground.
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Anyway, for a more lighthearted question:

Originally Posted by Rafflesiac

second best really, first best thing about le is rin in progressively less clothing

What ever happened to the cut top and daisy dukes Rin wore on that reset on Alice's floor anyway? Especially since she went back to her street clothes right before fighting Nursery Rhyme's Jabberwock-like form for the final time. Did she encounter a Mystic Code program error or something.

what do you call "that world" in Moon Cell again?

The name is SE.RA.PH.

has Chakravartin been established for almost 1000 years then?

Yes, exactly 999 years if I remember Rani's exposition right.

Or is really just one long war that's been stretched out and all-but-abandoned over 1000 years, implying that the preliminaries looped back to the start every time a 129th Master didn't successfully emerge?

It's this one.

Originally Posted by John D. Pliskin

What ever happened to the cut top and daisy dukes Rin wore on that reset on Alice's floor anyway? Especially since she went back to her street clothes right before fighting Nursery Rhyme's Jabberwock-like form for the final time. Did she encounter a Mystic Code program error or something.

As one of the best parts of the show it was promptly abandoned along with the best aesthetics the show has and can offer.

Btw do you guys remember this?

The victorious lost sight of life. The defeated lost sight of death. There are two beats in the coronary world. No one remains to speak of the Unlimited—

It's about the sixth floor right? I wonder if we'll see Emiya of if it's something else.

Emiya is Amari's Servant

Originally Posted by pinetree

It began before the anime even started my dude, thank God it'll stop soon.

Memes never die.

Pink hair was a mistake.

Originally Posted by Reign

Emiya is Amari's Servant

It's time to stop

Amari is Tamamo’s Servant

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Originally Posted by Mcjon01

Amari is Tamamo’s Servant

This has become a meme at this point

I wonder what even happened to Amari...

Originally Posted by mami-kouga

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This has become a meme at this point

I wonder what even happened to Amari...

eaten by Sakuradrop

Nips will remember apotrash more fondly than this