Fate/EXTRA Last Encore

[RoydGolden]

So I got around to watching the latest episode this afternoon. Some thoughts/questions:

-Holy crap was it creepy, and I mean that in the best possible sense. SHAFT have really been channelling their full Madoka Magica witch barrier aesthetic in the last two episodes, particularly for Alice's monster form.

-The scenes with Hakuno and Alice were memories from the original Hakuno (presumably the one we saw fighting Buddha in the opening prologue and the one Nero refers to this week), not Dead Face, right?

-How on earth did Rin survive seemingly getting her entire body torn apart by scissors? I know the hot-spring water in the moon elevator has magic healing powers, but recovering unscathed from having seemingly your entire body ripped to shreds feels a bit much. Assuming that scene was supposed to be something that actually happened, as opposed to a vision/premonition that Hakuno got.

-So Rin is a pseudo/Demi-Servant now, apparently. At least that explains how she wiped out Shinji's army of Berserkers so easily back in episode 3. Honestly, what I find the oddest isn't that she can borrow Cu Chulainn's powers, but that she doesn't take any of his actual color scheme in the process. With how red and spiky her transformed outfit was, she looked less like Cu Chulainn then a moe-ified Gae Bolg.

-In the final fight, why didn't Nursery Rhyme use her NP and reset time like she did the previous times she was defeated? Was it because she recognized Hakuno and willingly decided to let him win?

-Not a problem with the episode itself, but did anyone else find the subs this week were slightly out of sync with the characters talking? At first I hardly noticed, but by the end it was seriously distracting.

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Well there's a simple metric to go by.

Nero fanservice: broke
Rin fanservice: W O K E

I'm willing to accept all the silly Nero fanservice if it means a chance to see Rin in daisy dukes and a crop top. *drools*

[Kromy]

-How on earth did Rin survive seemingly getting her entire body torn apart by scissors?

Nursery NP reset, after Rin died Hakuno used a CS so Nero could blitz the monster and trigger the reset.

[bassgs435]

If you haven't noticed, go back to the final fight of the episode and pay attention to the shadows. There's some nice (and cruel) detail from Shaft in there

[RoydGolden]

Nursery NP reset, after Rin died Hakuno used a CS so Nero could blitz the monster and trigger the reset.

So the reset includes reviving people who died too. I wasn't so clear on that. Since Hakuno and the gang's memories weren't reset, I just assumed they weren't affected beyond that. Thanks!

[Rate]

-The scenes with Hakuno and Alice were memories from the original Hakuno (presumably the one we saw fighting Buddha in the opening prologue and the one Nero refers to this week), not Dead Face, right?

Yup. But the one fighting Buddha, that seems to be Hakunon, not Hakuno. Nero does say the one who made it to Twice was a completely different person from Hakuno.

-How on earth did Rin survive seemingly getting her entire body torn apart by scissors? I know the hot-spring water in the moon elevator has magic healing powers, but recovering unscathed from having seemingly your entire body ripped to shreds feels a bit much. Assuming that scene was supposed to be something that actually happened, as opposed to a vision/premonition that Hakuno got.

They didn't really elaborate on that. The best guess is floor being reset after being Alice. But as yourself pointed out, it didn't affect their memories, so who really knows. Maybe it'll be touched upon later, but if it isn't, just assume it was the reset that saved Rin.

-In the final fight, why didn't Nursery Rhyme use her NP and reset time like she did the previous times she was defeated? Was it because she recognized Hakuno and willingly decided to let him win?

Yup, exactly. Her memory started to deteriorate after turning into a monster, so she initially didn't recognize Hakuno. But when she saw the book he was holding, it came back to her.

[RoydGolden]

Yup, exactly. Her memory started to deteriorate after turning into a monster, so she initially didn't recognize Hakuno. But when she saw the book he was holding, it came back to her.

That NP is a lot more overpowered than in the game. In the game it just reset the battle if she wasn't defeated after a certain number of turns, whereas here it activates automatically upon her defeat. It makes me wonder how it'd even be possible to defeat this Nursery Rhyme in a straight fight, absent her conceding on purpose. No wonder Masters gave up trying to make it past the Third Floor.

[pinetree]

Interesting thought from him but I really hope he's wrong.

Stone Emiya seems more like "random effigy" than "corrupted servant that is still able to defeat Gawain" to me.
Though that does explain why Hakunon in the first episode was dying on the seventh floor while Nero fought Buda. Hakuno defeated her and ascended, only to be immediately defeated by Twice...
Also fits with Stone Emiya smiling...
Also why Emiya appeared at all...
I'm starting to believe this.

[hayate]

This is truly a SHAFT anime, wonder how would Ufotable tackle this with the constant art style changes

I think we got a taste of it in Emiya - san chi Kyou no Gohan and went full blast with it in the collab of FGO and Himuro no Tenchi: Fate/school life.

[Sandstorm77]

Interesting thought from him but I really hope he's wrong.

Oh yeah i had thought about this same theory from the first episode, though it went to the back of my mind after everything with alice. It’ll be interesting to see what the explanation is going to be later on.

[Rafflesiac]

Amari, who is actually BB, who is actually Rin, who is actually Alice, who is actually Tamamo

[Arashi_Leonhart]

Amari, who is actually BB, who is actually Rin, who is actually Alice, who is actually Tamamo, who is actually a remnant of Hakunon

amari yoku nai

[Iceblade44]

Amari, who is actually BB, who is actually Rin, who is actually Alice, who is actually Tamamo, who is actually a remnant of Hakunon, who is actually Nero. Thus making the anime all about Nero.

Prove Reddit right

[Zenieth]

Only thing I didn't understand was the need to absorb random items.

I get why it turned her into what she is, what I don't get is how it is supposed to stabalized her

[Wandering Swordwoman]

If you haven't noticed, go back to the final fight of the episode and pay attention to the shadows. There's some nice (and cruel) detail from Shaft in there

yeah I saw that

[RoydGolden]

Only thing I didn't understand was the need to absorb random items.

I get why it turned her into what she is, what I don't get is how it is supposed to stabalized her

I got the impression she was just cannibalizing them for raw magical energy.

[Zenieth]

Also was every Amari that Hakuno saw on the floor NR or was it only the last amari?

[You]

I got the impression she was just cannibalizing them for raw magical energy.

alice isn't a Servant thoughMy guess is she's doing it for viritual spiritrons and therefore her spiritron structure is being compromised because she's integrating that stuff.

A wizard writes and compiles the program code in advance, and activates it by passing magic through it. There are two types of Codecast. External Codecasts are one time use consumable Codecasts, while Internal Codecasts are installed into the body... or rather the spiritron structures [that make up one’s body in cyberspace].Codecasts that have been installed are very powerful, however seeing as they change the fundamental nature of the user, not many wizards choose to use them. Codecasts implemented through the use of a Mystic Code fall somewhere in the middle [in terms of power and effects on the user].

Seeing how installed code casts change you it's not hard to see how a ghost that's breaking so they absorb spiritrons from other things would lead to you becoming like that.

[Wandering Swordwoman]

Nothing clear

[RoydGolden]

alice isn't a Servant thoughMy guess is she's doing it for viritual spiritrons and therefore her spiritron structure is being compromised because she's integrating that stuff. Seeing how installed code casts change you it's not hard to see how a ghost that's breaking so they absorb spiritrons from other things would lead to you becoming like that.

Now I'm confused. I thought the twist partway through this episode was that the "Alice" we'd been seeing interact with Hakuno was actually her Servant all along, and the "real" Alice was still in that hospital bed.

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Actually thinking about it, she must've been a Master in order for Hakuno to be able to advance to the next floor by killing her. I'm not sure how I misinterpreted that.

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What was with that scene with Alice in the hospital bed anyways? If that was the "real" Alice, then who was the girl Hakuno was talking throughout the whole episode?

[bassgs435]

The hospital bed thing was Nursery basically showing Hakuno an image of what Alice's body looks in earth. Call it a hologram if you will. Nursery Rhyme was the book they were reading (And black Alice)