Fate/Grand Order Mats

[Laserman]

I think it has to do with how originally David was created for the Apo moba before it was canceled. The Servants there was all created by a whole assortment of people. If you look at other Apo Servants from the game you see most of them also have multiple authors, one that first created and the other that the charge of writing them when they poped in other works like GO. Thats what I think anyhow.

That makes sense.

Were David and Kintoki meant to play a bigger part in the original concept for Fate/Apocrypha?

Also new Servant translation courtesy of Clyton:

Jing Ke: https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/...o_material_ii/

There was a time where I knew the exact details about them, but I forgot.

Also, why doesn't her Suppression skill overlap with her Presence Concealment as a Assassin Class Servant? And the story about her attempt to kill Qin Shi Huangdi got retconned?

[Iceblade44]

That makes sense.


There was a time where I knew the exact details about them, but I forgot.

Also, why doesn't her Suppression skill overlap with her Presence Concealment as a Assassin Class Servant? And the story about her attempt to kill Qin Shi Huangdi got retconned?

Suppression doesn't overlap with PC but rather actually helps argument it. PC makes it so that it makes you hard to detect but once you try to prepare to attack it's effectiveness goes down, allowing the opponent a split second to defend themselves. Supression tho suppresses that intent to kill, thus closing that gap between attack and hit even more. Plus Jing can still use suppression without PC, so she make an attack even when she's in front of her opponents face. As for the other thing, I think so. I haven't read it myself so I'm still skeptical on how different it was to what it was on the mats, but apparantly it was a big difference. As Higa was the writer for both I don't know the reasoning for it, but now he's probably aware to stick to what he had originally. We will probably find out more in Lostbelt 3.

As for David and Kintoki. They were Servants creates when Apo was to be a Moba but when the LN came out they were cut as they didn't fit with the story.

[Laserman]

Suppression doesn't overlap with PC but rather actually helps argument it. PC makes it so that it makes you hard to detect but once you try to prepare to attack it's effectiveness goes down, allowing the opponent a split second to defend themselves. Supression tho suppresses that intent to kill, thus closing that gap between attack and hit even more. Plus Jing can still use suppression without PC, so she make an attack even when she's in front of her opponents face.

Thanks for the explanation, I understand the difference know. Man, that's scary, an Assassin being able to hide their killing intent right in front of a enemy.

As for the other thing, I think so. I haven't read it myself so I'm still skeptical on how different it was to what it was on the mats, but apparantly it was a big difference. As Higa was the writer for both I don't know the reasoning for it, but now he's probably aware to stick to what he had originally. We will probably find out more in Lostbelt 3.

Well, it's never been completed translated either, but rxrx talked about it a bit before in one of the TM Ace threads.

As for David and Kintoki. They were Servants creates when Apo was to be a Moba but when the LN came out they were cut as they didn't fit with the story.

Yeah, that's it. Same thing with Benkei and George.

[John Dee]

It says that she wants to stab King-based Servants in her relationship section, but would she have some sort of moral dilemma when comes to kid or lily versions of Iskandar, Gilgamesh, Artoria, etc.?

[John Dee]

Angra Mainyu's profile has been translated on reddit by Konchew (don't know if he's a poster here as well):

Angra Mainyu: https://www.reddit.com/r/FGOGuide/co...tegrand_order/

I'm just wondering what the black diamonds are for in their profiles? Since they also appeared in Solomon and Goetia's profiles as well.

[Quoren]

Those are just stylistic breaks in the profile, likely to signify a change of topic.

[Clyton]

Yeah, what Quoren said. Usually it's a digression to a whole other matter in the same section (I used * to signify the diamond back in Cleo's profile for example, but I will eventually go back through all my translations and put that for better clarification).

Konchew isn't a poster here (based on my knowledge), but he was the one who requested to do Angra Mainyu, so I sent him all the transcription for Angra's mats.

[Iceblade44]

Nice reference to Darius from their same heritage. To bad there's nothing else from that.

Man we need more Persian and Zoroastrian Servants so these guys can interact more.

[Zork Knight]

Rider Cyrus with Alexander fanboying over him

[Clyton]

If you are interested in more Persian figures' background mentioned in TM, aside from Manuchehr who was the last king in West Asia's Age of Gods period as mentioned in Arash's profile, Arash's mats expanded on that, citing Manuchehr as the descendent of Fereydun, the Hero-King who slayed Zahhak, who was the incarnation of the evil dragon Aži Dahāka, who was then considered the son of the actual Angra Mainyu.

[You]

yeah cos arash talks about him in fragments

[Iceblade44]

Fereydun would be nice, since he'd be Persian Gilgamesh. Rostam would also be awesome. Since he's Persia's greatest hero. Also Persian Kings like as Zork said Cyrus would be nice, but also would Darius I and possibly Xerxes. I would wonder whether they would have the Immortals and how they would be different by Darius III.

[neveron]

Fereydun would be nice, since he'd be Persian Gilgamesh. Rostam would also be awesome. Since he's Persia's greatest hero. Also Persian Kings like as Zork said Cyrus would be nice, but also would Darius I and possibly Xerxes. I would wonder whether they would have the Immortals and how they would be different by Darius III.

The Athánatoi are already Darius III's NP, aren't they? I could see them reusing it in a different form, but I suspect that they want to keep NPs relatively unique. Relatively. Lord knows that we have way too many beamswords.

[asterism42]

He does use them differently than most army summon NPs, he turns them into a GIANT ELEPHANT.

[Zork Knight]

Others' Athanatoi ought to be more exciting. IIRC the Immortals had caravans of concubines to accompany them.

[Iceblade44]

Others' Athanatoi ought to be more exciting. IIRC the Immortals were all trained with swords, spears and bows.

Darius already has that tho. Personally I'm just curious on how they make the armies different enough from both Darius and Iskandars if they do give them it. Darius III manifests the Armies immortality by it being undead. As for the others like Darius I and Xerxes how they express the immortality gets me curious.

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Ah you change it.

Yes Army harems would be interesting, I'd call Xeres having that.

[Zork Knight]

Don't even use the soldiers
Just fling carts full of prostitutes at the enemies

[Balthizar]

Are there too many similarities between Darius and Ivan at this point? Both are super tall, both have NPs that summon elephants, and both have NPs that summon an army. The idea of a, "big burly Servant with an army-summoning NP," is starting to become a bit stale.

[You]

Are there too many similarities between Darius and Ivan at this point? Both are super tall, both have NPs that summon elephants, and both have NPs that summon an army. The idea of a, "big burly Servant with an army-summoning NP," is starting to become a bit stale.

Functionally different though.

[Bobin]

Are there too many similarities between Darius and Ivan at this point?

Now that you mention it

Both are super tall

Ivan: bigger

both have NPs that summon elephants

Ivan: bigger

both have NPs that summon an army

Ivan: bigger


Darius has to sit at the kiddie table now, and Iskander needs a baby booster.