Ciel in Capsule Servant timeline? when? where is the source?Originally Posted by Comun
Ciel in Capsule Servant timeline? when? where is the source?
Iirc Caren’s implied to not be the ONLY person with Masochistic Spiritualist Constitution since it’s mentioned that the church values people (plural) with the skill, although you could argue that Caren’s the only one who currently has it at least I suppose. So that’s something?
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Caren’s quote is about Ciel and basically mentions her whole “Bodied 3 Ancestors” thing, Caren in FGO is from Tiger Colosseum with some Capsule Servant influence, that’s why he’s saying “Oh that must have happened in that timeline too”
人間ジャガーノート
Quite human juggernaut
ノエルの<魔力|やり>は底が見え始めていた。
対して、あの<重戦車|ジャガーノート>の魔力はまだ減ってすらいない
DA Noel's well of magical energy is already beginning to run dry.
The juggernaut she's up against (Ciel), on the other hand, has barely even scratched the surface of her magical energy reserves.
Tsukihime remake -day13 mirage-
You are right she's Ciel "The human juggernaut"
What's the anniversary cope list looking like?
Ciel (New)
Seimei (Veteran)
U-Olga (New)
Lev-Goetia=Not-Romani (Veteran)
Camazotz (New)
Galahad (Veteran)
Nice catch. True, seems to be a Ciel reference. I also like how it gives respect to the DAA. Indeed, each DAA is powerful enough to be in the category of a last-boss, they are just that capable.
The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.
Tsukihime 2 Prelude III
Anyone could point me to where I can download the new mats? Thanks in advance.
No scans yet.
I don't suppose you're interested in any of the remaining profiles from the Mats that haven't been completed yet Master of Chaos?
Caren C. Hortensia
Class Ruler True Name Amor (Caren) Gender Female Origin Greek mythology,
Roman mythology,
Fate/hollow ataraxiaRegion Mediterranean,
EuropeAlignment Lawful Good Height 156 cm Weight 40 kg
STR C- CON A+ AGI B- MGI C- LCK A- NP EX
Writer: Nasu Kinoko Artist: Morii Shizuki Voice Actress: Koshimizu Ami
Primarily appears in: Fate/hollow ataraxia, Fate/Grand Order
Item Crafting: A As she represents the Arrow of Love, Caren is a professional when it comes to items that affect the heart.
If you're feeling shy and need an extra push, she can make tons of wonderful items that will let people's hearts function all the more pleasantly.
Independent Action: A As far as the Missionary of Love Caren C. Hortensia is concerned, the one she ought serve is not merely her Master.
By the will of the Lord, and under the auspices of the angel serving as man's messenger of love, she does not have to adhere to her Master's circumstances. Freedom.
Channeler of Harm: EX The susceptibility of the body to be possessed by nearby demonic influence without the person in question willing it.
It reenacts the phenomena of devils, and in some cases, even incarnates them.
It makes Caren susceptible to negative status effects like poison, curse, and burn.
Additionally, whenever these negative status effects are applied to her, Caren's attack power is increased. She goes from taking harm, to causing harm.
That said, this attack power is not something she can put out deliberately.
Core of the Goddess: B Under ordinary circumstances, this skill would be Amor's 'Divinity', but due to the faith of the girl that serves as their human vessel, it became Core of the Goddess instead.
This is probably because, to her, the only one who has divinity is the Heavenly Father.
Iron-Willed Faith: A Caren's version of the Craft Essence "Iron-Willed Training".
The young albino, who by all rights should have died soon after birth, managed to grow up, defying everyone's expectations of her.
In her mind, the fact that she is even alive is a miracle, and proof that God's love is real.
It manifests itself as a passive skill that gives her resistance to fear, charm and buster effects.
Personal Skills
Shroud of Valentinus: A
Eros (the love of the flesh)
Usually, Caren prefers her trusty "Shroud of Magdalene", but now she uses the shroud of lovers instead.
It applies invincibility to herself and her allies.
However, the ally it is applied to will have to pay Caren with their NP gauge for the next 3 turns.
Golden Arrow: A Philia (the love of one's friends)
Angelic arrows that en-Amor-s whomever they pierce. Forcibly.
Applies taunt to herself in addition to draining the enemies' NP while applying attack down and defense down to them.
Mana Discharge (Love): A Storge (the love of one's family)
Also known as God Caren.
Super buff that Caren calls forth for the sake of that which she loves and watches over more than anything else.
Seems vaguely amazing. Oh, and it drains NP from her opponent. Basically, all her skills drain NP from the opponent.
Noble Phantasm
Rank EX Type Anti-Personnel Noble Phantasm Range 1~99 Maximum Targets Unknown The Greatest Hits: "Calling Agape".
Universal, Unconditional and Unlimited Love.
Noble Phantasm of Ascension.
Caren wreathes herself in a shell of prayers, and then completes her theophany as the mouthpiece of a yet newer and more universal love.
Instead of the Love God Amor themselves, she becomes a "love from heaven" based on Amor, and delivers an attack of divine punishment by lighting up the earth with her unconditional and unlimited love.
It's unmistakably an Anti-World Noble Phantasm, but its user stubbornly insists that it's an Anti-Personnel one.
The love that Caren speaks of is that of God's unconditional love for man.
Thus, Agape.
In Tiger Colosseum, Caren previously used a morningstar with a weight that depended on how much love its wielder had. Seeing as Caren loves all of humanity, the hammer's weight was the same as the earth. This Noble Phantasm is the F/GO version of that.
The beam of love is what's "unlimited", and Caren's magnanimity in giving it out for free is what's "unconditional".
Biography
First-person Pronoun "watashi" Second-person Pronouns Master/"anata" Third-person Pronouns "kare"/"kanojo" 〇 Personality
Deadpan, calm and cynical.
Though still a young girl at heart, she never speaks in a cutesy tone.
She is a devil in the form of a saint.
Or perhaps a saint in the form of a devil.
Scathing, fatalistic, sharp-tongued, slutty and merciless.
And yet, a saint who remains an innocent maiden at her core.
She has an unwavering belief that as someone who has offered up her life to the Lord, she is to spend her life in service of the Father above, as well as the people that He loves.
So when a girl like this takes up the position of Amor, one might think they would feel revulsion at the idea of harboring a god from another religion within them, but what actually ran through Caren's body was an electrifying sense of duty.
"Though of another faith it might be, the role of the 'Missionary of Love' is wonderful nonetheless. Would I not be reciprocating God's love if I were to carry out such a mission to the utmost of my ability? Oh, to remedy the fates of others without their consent! How could I not be excited?"
Now more fired up than ever before, she changed her name to Caren C. Hortensia, and faced up to the task of making Chaldea's Valentine celebration as enjoyable as possible.
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More so than the Caren from Hollow, she is closer to the Caren of Tiger Colosseum.
When in her position as Church overseer, she is reticent and never gives word to her own opinion or circumstances, however, when in cases such as these, where she is not restrained by her duties as a nun, she speaks, works, plots and even makes moves befitting of the mastermind behind any story, and does so often.
(While mastermind might sound sinister, she never causes problems out of malice, but rather out of a desire to do things for the good of other people)
Though... be that as it may, she loves seeing people suffer; just as much as she loves for her own body to suffer. Basically, both sadism and masochism have come together to form her ridiculously pain-in-the-ass personality.
Because of this, though her plotting serves to make people's lives better, she arranges for exceedingly arduous hardships in order to achieve such betterment... apparently.
She finds the amassing of wealth to be a virtue, but only because money is the symbol of authority that rules over man.
God is, after all, the desire to be loved and ruled over.
For someone like Caren, who occasionally becomes one with God's love when she finds herself deep in prayer (according to herself), to amass wealth is to bring oneself happiness.
(The Church teaches that 'one shalt not amass riches on the earth', but in Caren's eyes, money does not constitute riches. Additionally, she has little attachment to the money she has collected. She simply finds collecting itself to be thrilling, and doesn't have the slightest desire of buying things or living luxuriously with her money. Basically, she would go so far as burning it all if she felt done with it)
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If it's for the sake of exorcising devils, she willingly offers up her body to any human or animal, always prioritizing their happiness over her own, but...
When it comes to a more simple, human love, there is only one she has wished happiness for by her own initiative. Even now, she keeps that wish, and those feelings, buried deep within her heart.
〇 Motivations / Attitude toward her Master
They are the poor sacrificial lamb chosen to safeguard Humanitas--Excuse me, an ordinary, yet valorous person.
Her belief is that in accordance with God's love―that of watching over the good lives of man,
she ought protect them so they are not felled by the many evils they encounter;
she ought supervise them so they are not swept away by the many temptations they encounter;
she ought shield them so they do not regret the many choices they encounter.
In short, she wants to enjoy the sight of their hilarious hardships from as close as possible.
Hat collecting is what interests her more girly side, while her nun side takes more pride in performing on the pipe organ. Caren's hobby is working on things she is talented at, you see.
〇 Sample Lines
"Servant Ruler. I, Deity Amor, also known as Caren C. Hortensia, have answered your summons. Heh. So this is the Chaldea I have heard so much about? I find its liveliness much to my liking. Now whether I can live up the title of 'Missionary of Love' or not... you'll just have to find out."
"Charity, oh, charity... What a wonderful cause. Why not charity me as far as you can, then?
"So it's about how I was before being summoned? Let's see here... I have been an assistant to an exorcist, a nun assigned to take care of the aftermath of a Holy Grail War, and even a devil myself... why, quite a variety of things, really. Though ever since I came here, I cannot recall many of the details."
"Labor hours have started, Master. I expect my entire day's worth of sustenance taken care off."
〇 Biography in Fate/Grand Order
The God of Love from Roman mythology.
Psuedo-Servant that uses Caren Hortensia as its human vessel.
Due to Caren's innate personality being a perfect match with Amor's Authority, she was miraculously reborn as the 'Fully Merged Deity Caren' (or so she says).
She was a sacrifice chosen as a Humanitas-aligned Servant when the Incineration of Humanitas took place.
Chronologically speaking, she is from after Hollow, but before the Aylesbury Geocentricism (Tsukihime). After ending her work as Fuyuki's overseer, she once again became active as an exorcist in Europe, and it's around this time that the Deity went into her.
Her spiritual core is constituted of Eros, the God of Love from Greek mythology, and Amor, the God of Love from Roman mythology.
When in her angelic guise, she goes by the name of Amor, but unlike what one would perhaps expect, she does not go by the name of Eros in her default, second ascension state.
Not only has she completely rejected (read: finds unacceptable) Eros, but she has even started disguising herself as Cupid, arguably the symbol for both of these gods.
As to why she rejected Eros; due to her strong faith, Caren defines "love" as that of "unconditional love", so while Amor might be acceptable in that regard, she absolutely abhors Eros (sexual love).
(In Greek philosophy, there's said to be four kinds of love: sexual love, comradely love, familial love, and finally unconditional love toward strangers. The vulgarity of sexual love has no place in the way Caren thinks of the unconditional love held by God (that of Agape))
So even though Caren is a Psuedo-Servant of the Love God Amor, at her core, she has rejected both Amor and Eros and serves as the missionary of a much greater form of love.
Very much a strange quirk for a Servant to have, befitting of the walking contradiction that is Caren, someone who loves causing harm as much as she is susceptible to it herself.
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Introduced with the 2021 Valentine Event.
Caren sees chocolate as a sort of "love-indulgence", and as such, acceptable to sell at whatever steep price is possible.
She claims that "you can't put a price on love, can you?" and so only displays "true love" with her Noble Phantasm.
〇 Abilities
She is able to output Amor's powers in a variety of forms (arrow, bazooka, bomb, lightning, earthquakes).
Her appearance is much like an angel's. Or perhaps a devil's. OR PERHAPS EVEN A GOD'S.
Through the power of her strong faith, she is able to guide the hearts of man in whichever direction she likes. Much like she's brainwashing or seducing them.
In her third ascension, she takes on an appearance that is similar to a devil's, but it's not like she really is one in her deep within or anything. It's just that if you change your viewing angle a little bit, she coincidentally happens to look like one. Also, all of her skills drain NP, but this is also just a coincidence.
Her weapons are the massive God-Bazooka and the heart-shaped familiars of Mister Amor and Little Eros. Eros is abused by her constantly, but seeing as they appears to like it, there shouldn't be an issue.
Additionally, in her third ascension she grows a pair of chocolate horns. Not devil ones. Please keep that in mind.〇 Related characters
Manannan (Bazett)
"What a wonderful Deity Servant. I expected no less from the famous Manannan of Celtic mythology. As for his human vessel, she is the among the greatest of all mankind in the durability department, so feel free to let her take as many hits as you want to keep shooting those Fragarachs."
Cu Chulainn
"The strongest and swiftest among all Celtic heroes. His feats, looks and abilities leave nothing to be desired. I imagine there are none who do not respect him. But above all else, his name is most wonderful."
Lil Gil
"I do very much get along with the younger Gilgamesh here as well. For you see, his finances are in tremendously good shape."
Ishtar
"I pay close attention to her, seeing as the two of us are both goddesses with a taste for riches, but also because we're fellow Psuedo-Servants using human vessels. Whenever will we do a cross-promotion, I wonder? Under these circumstances, I wouldn't even mind something space-related, just so you know."
Rasputin
"I haven't given eschatology much thought, but I have no choice but to admit that we must find ourselves in the end-times. Why, because it must be the end of the world if such a temperate and upright monk from vast Russia were to choose him as their human vessel. Oh, but I do hear that Mr. Rasputin was someone who had a lot of tangles with the fairer sex... I suppose I am left with no other choice but to purify the both of you in the fires of my bazooka."
■■■■
"Hm? Are you talking about her? That human juggernaut?
Surely she would never show up in Chaldea... is what I used to think, but with ■■■■ anything is possible, I suppose.
She may not look it, but she is someone who has nonchalantly defeated a handful of last bosses already.
I'm sure that she would display tremendous soloing potential, and then go all 'oops, did I do it again?' here as well.
Hopefully I have not jinxed us, God willing."
Angra Mainyu
No comment.
Comment from the illustrator
Caren C. Hortensia is like if the Gods of Love from each mythology assembled inside of one human vessel. By letting this very crazy lore come together with these gods' crazy divinities, our rather quirky Missionary of Love was born. Separate from such mankind-scale love, she is actually a nun with who holds a different love deep within her heart. I have some memories of sending in a variety of design proposal, gradually refining each of the "forms of love" she represents. I had been instructed to make the first ascension easily identifiable as Cupid, so I added and removed a bunch of accessories, scarfs, and other things until eventually settling on the current outfit. I also had been ordered to make the paper bag, and baby stuff that had appeared in previous works, so I made sure that was reflected in her sprites. --Morii Shizuki
TL Notes
Last edited by Petrikow; May 3rd, 2023 at 06:57 PM.
Space Caren incoming
Konchew - Astarte and Yang Guifei
Comun - Summer Murasaki
Clyton - Saber Astolfo and Europa
Smoof - Super Orion (shared) and Odysseus
PK - Super Orion (shared)
Padoru - Super Orion (shared) and Castor and Pollux (shared)
Shiny - Caenis and Summer Tomoe
Jyg - Castor and Pollux (shared) and Nemo
Unclaimed - Summer Illya, Hajime, Muramasa, Douman, Ibuki-douji, Kagekiyo, Kiichi, Tsuna, Vritra, Santa Karna, Galatea, Miss Crane, MIXA
Mats X: 8
Mats XI: 5
Mats XII: 11
Just let me know what profiles need to be switched around to which translators.
My work here is done.
Me: Tsuna, Vritra
Comun: Douman, Kiichi
Clyton (tentative): Galatea, Ibuki
When I finish mine I'll start sniping old ones but I won't be announcing which beforehand so you'll just have to tick the boxes as they come out.
I'm a proud petrikowist.Item Crafting (道具作成), known otherwise as Item Construction or Item Creation.
Construction sounds stupid. You craft items, and this is often how 作成 is used in JP video-games.
Mana Discharge (魔力放出), known otherwise as, well, there's a million variations. It's Saber's skill.
"Burst" never quite worked for me (it's too vague), so discharge sort of gives the 'shoots out stuff for propulsion' image a bit more clarity.
Humanitas (人理), known otherwise as Human Order, or Humanity
Literally whyDeity (神霊), known otherwise as Divine Spirit
Quick update:
Konchew - Astarte and Yang Guifei
Comun - Summer Murasaki, Douman, and Kiichi
Clyton - Saber Astolfo, Europa, Galatea, and Ibuki
Smoof - Super Orion (shared) and Odysseus
PK - Super Orion (shared)
Padoru - Super Orion (shared) and Castor and Pollux (shared)
Shiny - Caenis and Summer Tomoe
Jyg - Castor and Pollux (shared) and Nemo
fumei - Tsuna and Vritra
Unclaimed - Summer Illya, Hajime, Muramasa, Kagekiyo, Santa Karna, Miss Crane, MIXA
Mats X: 8
Mats XI: 5
Mats XII: 11
I'm really not sure who ■■■■ in Caren's related list is supposed to be. From the description, I'm guessing it's... Arcueid? But I don't know how she's acquainted with her since there isn't any common relation AFAIK. Even Ishtar I can understand since Cupid.
Ah, after thinking again, it's human Juggernaut, so definitely not Arcueid. And four letters could be... Ciel? Which fits since she's also related to Church.
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Whoops, sniped.
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Okay, this is some serious foreshadowing.
CIEL FOR SMASH!!!
Foreshadowing for the upcoming Tsukihime collab right
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Smash Ciel? Eh I’d rather smash Akiha
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