Things that annoy you in TM

[Deathhappens]

I'm not sure how valid the comparison between the franchises is, but anyway, I think HP's/Rowling's crowning achievement is really in how eminently human they made wizards be. They make asses of themselves watching sports, they have office politics, they get stuck in red tape... sure, the elements of heroic fantasy are there too, with the prophesied hero and the wise mentor and all, but rather than just show "the cool parts", Rowling spends the majority of each book on Harry being a normal kid who complains about too much homework, falls asleep in class, copies notes from his friend, gossips about girls...

Nasu's take on the other hand is a lot more mystified. Magic is mystery, he hammers that with every opportunity. To be a magus is to walk with death. His magi, while all different kinds of people, all are to the last one somewhat fucked in the head; divorcing yourself from reality is in fact the only way to be a good magus. (Though probably a terrible human being).

[asterism42]

idk what it is but I'm feeling kinda sour about this franchise recently

Like, I still like it

but I also kinda hate it

[Bugs]

Word.

[warellis]

idk what it is but I'm feeling kinda sour about this franchise recently

Like, I still like it

but I also kinda hate it

Was it FGO and the constant sucking of everything else into its cash making machine?

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

I'm not sure how valid the comparison between the franchises is, but anyway, I think HP's/Rowling's crowning achievement is really into how eminently human they made wizards be. They make asses of themselves watching sports, they have politics, they get stuck in red tape... sure, the elements of heroic fantasy are there too, with the prophecised hero and the wise mentor and all, but rather than just show "the cool parts", Rowling spends the majority of each book on Harry being a normal kid who complains about too much homework, falls asleep in class, copies notes from his friend, gossips about girls...

Nasu's take on the other hand is a lot more mystified. Magic is mystery, he hammers that with every opportunity. To be a magus is to walk with death. His magi, while all different kinds of people, all are to the last one somewhat fucked in the head; divorcing yourself from reality is in fact the only way to be a good magus. (Though probably a terrible human being).

This. I tried to say this earlier, but you put it WAY better than I did.

[TheSeaDragon]

i like type moon much more than HP, so i guess i find Nasu take more interesting, but, magi would never be the big draw of Fate, we all know its servants , We already have like five takes on a grail war , all of them, even Apo, despite how bad mouthed is, with a grade of succes . But i dont know how much people would be excited with a series that takes place in the CT , and im not talking about post UBW Rin and Shiro stuff .

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

i like type moon much more than HP, so i guess i find Nasu take more interesting, but, magi would never be the big draw of Fate, we all know its servants , We already have like five takes on a grail war , all of them, even Apo, despite how bad mouthed is, with a grade of succes . But i dont know how much people would be excited with a series that takes place in the CT , and im not talking about post UBW Rin and Shiro stuff .

Case Files already sort of does take place at CT, or at least it's context is heavily CT-flavored.

[TheSeaDragon]

Case Files already sort of does take place at CT, or at least it's context is heavily CT-flavored.

Not sure if will be ever animated

Anyways , even if you are right, the hook is....hey, do you remember that wimpy kid from the fourth war He is all grown up .

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

i like type moon much more than HP, so i guess i find Nasu take more interesting, but, magi would never be the big draw of Fate, we all know its servants , We already have like five takes on a grail war , all of them, even Apo, despite how bad mouthed is, with a grade of succes . But i dont know how much people would be excited with a series that takes place in the CT , and im not talking about post UBW Rin and Shiro stuff .

Honestly, I like the Nasuverse Servants and some of the magical mechanics themselves, but I like HP's take on wizards themselves.

[Iceblade44]

Not sure if will be ever animated

Anyways , even if you are right, the hook is....hey, do you remember that wimpy kid from the fourth war He is all grown up .

But Waver is one of the most popular characters from Zero tho. And I mean FGO really helps spread that Lord El Melloi is a thing. Or any Fate work after Zero. I mean Waver even got a cameo in Unlimted Blade Works anime, Prisma, and Apo. It’s not like he’s an unknown here. The chances that Case Files getting an anime isn’t that low all thing s considering.

[TheSeaDragon]

But Waver is one of the most popular characters from Zero tho. And I mean FGO really helps spread that Lord El Melloi is a thing. Or any Fate work after Zero. I mean Waver even got a cameo in Unlimted Blade Works anime, Prisma, and Apo. It’s not like he’s an unknown here. The chances that Case Files getting an anime isn’t that low all thing s considering.

All true, and he is popular because he was in a grail war.

[jennajayfeather]

Not sure if will be ever animated

Anyways , even if you are right, the hook is....hey, do you remember that wimpy kid from the fourth war He is all grown up .

Fun fact:

I started with Zero & loved Waver so I immediately did some research & jumped into FSF because of more Waver content (Case Files hadn't even been a thing then) so I mean if the magi drew me to Fate, I think that'd apply to other people too.

Sure, the main draw are the servants but for me the draw is definitely the El Melloi Classroom. There's just so many different directions people can get into Fate/TM & explore it in their own way

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Fun fact:

I started with Zero & loved Waver so I immediately did some research & jumped into FSF because of more Waver content (Case Files hadn't even been a thing then) so I mean if the magi drew me to Fate, I think that'd apply to other people too.

Sure, the main draw are the servants but for me the draw is definitely the El Melloi Classroom. There's just so many different directions people can get into Fate/TM & explore it in their own way

Waver was my favorite character from Zero as well, and that's what drew me to Case Files. It's mostly because he felt super relatable, probably because I watched when the both of us were 19.

[TheSeaDragon]

Fun fact:

I started with Zero & loved Waver so I immediately did some research & jumped into FSF because of more Waver content (Case Files hadn't even been a thing then) so I mean if the magi drew me to Fate, I think that'd apply to other people too.

Sure, the main draw are the servants but for me the draw is definitely the El Melloi Classroom. There's just so many different directions people can get into Fate/TM & explore it in their own way

but yet you saw him first in Zero.

How popular would El Melloi II would be if he was pretty much the same character but he and the kid from Zero werent one and the same. For the record, i would totally check a series about magi shaningans, but its a hard fact what is Fates big hook

[Iceblade44]

All true, and he is popular because he was in a grail war.

I don’t think that is all encompassing as you think it is. The Holy Grail Wars is exciting for the characters, mainly Servants but when done right also Masters. This is the same for CF. The characters, Waver survivor of the 4th war, Gray intentional espy to Saber, Flatt who actually comes from SF as a Master, Reines who is a relative to Kayneth, Luvia, and the Servants that is in the series, Hephestion(fake) and Sir Kay brother to Artoria. All these characters have a connection to something not from the series yet but he you can actually see they are lovable and interesting characters here as well. This is not mention the other cameos as well, Like Olga, Touko, and Caules.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

I don’t think that is all encompassing as you think it is. The Holy Grail Wars is exciting for the characters, mainly Servants but when done right also Masters. This is the same for CF. The characters, Waver survivor of the 4th war, Gray intentional espy to Saber, Flatt who actually comes from SF as a Master, Reines who is a relative to Kayneth, Luvia, and the Servants that is in the series, Hephestion(fake) and Sir Kay brother to Artoria. All these characters have a connection to something not from the series yet but he you can actually see they are lovable and interesting characters here as well. This is not mention the other cameos as well, Like Olga, Touko, and Caules.

Now I NEED to learn Japanese.

[Snow]

i like type moon much more than HP, so i guess i find Nasu take more interesting, but, magi would never be the big draw of Fate, we all know its servants , We already have like five takes on a grail war , all of them, even Apo, despite how bad mouthed is, with a grade of succes . But i dont know how much people would be excited with a series that takes place in the CT , and im not talking about post UBW Rin and Shiro stuff .

I would.

[jennajayfeather]

Waver was my favorite character from Zero as well, and that's what drew me to Case Files. It's mostly because he felt super relatable, probably because I watched when the both of us were 19.

Waver's easy to get attached to in Zero. He & Iskandar are super heartwarming, and they are just characters you feel like you can trust?? I do, in hindsight, wish they included somethings for Waver (like him saving the Hassan girl) because in later works that nature of Waver becomes a core part of his character and I think if these works had been planned, Waver probably would have been allowed that spotlight.

I really like how Waver just kind of grew from some wimpy kid who was only meant to be influenced by Iskandar, to start influencing his students. Like they took that basic concept and allowed it to grow. It's very sweet.

[TheSeaDragon]

yes, it works because the connections, thats exactly my point

[Nikiri]

I always wanted a tm anime with the clock tower vs church (or just one of them doing things), less into servants tbh