Better that then "if you win and get a happy end you get erased from existence. Also if you lose and get a bad end you get erased too. Eternal conflict and suffering is man's ideal state."Originally Posted by savepoints
#twicewasright
Better that then "if you win and get a happy end you get erased from existence. Also if you lose and get a bad end you get erased too. Eternal conflict and suffering is man's ideal state."
#twicewasright
the problem is not so much that it's hegelianism but that it's a kind of shallow hackish hegelianism which starts with this naive idea of what 'human' 'progress' is and never really moves beyond it
かん汗ぎゅう牛じゅう充とう棟
Expresses the exceeding size of one's library.
Books are extremely many, loaded on an oxcart the ox will sweat.
At home piled to the ridgepole of the house, from this meaning.
Read out as 「Ushi ni ase shi, munagi ni mitsu.」
Source: 柳宗元「其為書，處則充棟宇，出則汗牛馬。」— Tang Dynasty
And I doubt that was Nasu's intent either way, it just happens to be the solution to a fanmade "issue".
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Tbh, the fact that utopias or entirely bad ends get pruned never bothered me, because it takes so much to even consider something a utopia on the level where civilization would stagnate (which is the requirement for pruning), as opposed to just being "a pretty good world".
But why is that a problem
Infinite parallel worlds was supposed to be exactly what the Kaleidoscope was all about, no?
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And FWIW, if a presumed "utopia" leads to stagnation, can it really be said to be an utopia at all?
shit BL says
Once and always and nevermore.
Kiara was right, humanity should just orgasm itself out of existence
Yes. Why would a Utopia progress? Everything is perfect already.
How can you know everything's perfect if you're not actively trying to improve it?
shit BL says
Once and always and nevermore.
As long as everything remains perfect, why would "stagnation" be a bad thing?
O walls, you have held up so much tedious graffiti that I am amazed you have not already collapsed in ruin.
The modern hate of immortality is just the sour grapes of someone who lives close to the completion of said feat but who is never going to live to see it.
Prove me wrong.
You can know because there's nothing to improve, that's what perfect is.
I mean, I imagine in the first 50 or so years of utopia, people were still trying, but at some point they realize everything is as good as it can get.
Last edited by pinetree; December 13th, 2018 at 11:16 AM.
immortality won't happen lol
かん汗ぎゅう牛じゅう充とう棟
Expresses the exceeding size of one's library.
Books are extremely many, loaded on an oxcart the ox will sweat.
At home piled to the ridgepole of the house, from this meaning.
Read out as 「Ushi ni ase shi, munagi ni mitsu.」
Source: 柳宗元「其為書，處則充棟宇，出則汗牛馬。」— Tang Dynasty
From a perspective of a system that governs the progress of timelines, what use is there to support a timeline that will not change or progress any further? It’s not a matter wheter it’s good for the people in it or not.
Looking from a more meta perspective that the timelines are stories nasu wants to write, there’s no point in writing a story about a world that won’t have anything interesting in it.
"An ideal is only an ideal after all. As long as you embrace that ideal, the friction with reality will continue to increase. So you will someday face reality and will have to pay for your compromises"
please look forward to your questions being answered in fate grand order cosmos in the lost belt 3 sin synchronized intelligent nation
Well, not with that attitude it won't
Even shit could go wrong in a utopia.
QSH still needs to conquer the heat death of the universe for example.
Aliens could attack the earth.
I mean this is a very humanity-centered system. We know that there are life in other planets. Is Earth the only life that matter here? Are you telling me that there's a bubble around earth where multiple timelines are pruned and unpruned while the rest of the universe continues as normal? If one observes earth from the space would they see multiple earths popping and erasing from existence?
it's not real, calm down
かん汗ぎゅう牛じゅう充とう棟
Expresses the exceeding size of one's library.
Books are extremely many, loaded on an oxcart the ox will sweat.
At home piled to the ridgepole of the house, from this meaning.
Read out as 「Ushi ni ase shi, munagi ni mitsu.」
Source: 柳宗元「其為書，處則充棟宇，出則汗牛馬。」— Tang Dynasty
So far the system does seem completely restricted to the solar system, Extella even says that it wouldn't have enough energy to survive long without pruning. Not Earth or the universe, the solar system.
I think Mizukume has talked about the concept of a universe of awareness before, relating to this.
Basically it seems like this is all restricted to the Human Order and aliens may or may not have their own systems.
I wonder, if humanity ever reached the Age of Will and took to the stars, would its universe start to conflict with other's?
Last edited by pinetree; December 13th, 2018 at 12:19 PM.
it's still real to me dammit
Nasu's Earth-centered worldbuilding does not stand up to scrutiny, more news at 11.
For fun and no profit, go through all the instances using the word "World" in official material and figure out which ones of them talk about the Earth, which ones talk about a specific layer of reality overlaid on it, and which ones talk about something completely different.
shit BL says
Once and always and nevermore.
No.
And the issue arises from the fact that the system favors continuation of timelines in the form of divergence. A utopia might change slightly over the course of its time, but when everything is perfect there's not enough change that's possible for it to be able to spawn enough timelines from itself, and so it's not worth keeping up in favor of other timelines which can do that. Whether you can make small-scale changes to what your "perfect" entails is pretty irrelevant.
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