Things that annoy you in TM

[castor212]

I find those about as dissonant as contrast between servants' relations scene, many light hearted in nature, and the main story itself.

In regards to tonal dissonance, i simply disagree with you, particularly in regards to later chapters, putting the story quality aside.. That is, majority of things you describe as tonal dissonance that breaks the flow, i dont find it as such.

For example, Blackbearf is a real hit and miss, in that some people actually like how the whole Oceanos is not meant to be completely serious to begin with, but a fun adventure story, in which case Blackbeard actually helps strengthen the mood as opposed to breaking it. Understandably, some people would dislike it but again, personal preference.

While i would admit some of your points due to personal subjectivity and not everybody would think the way i do, especially in regards to older chapters, i find people doing the same on later chapters to be more of a nitpicking and them exaggerating it. Thus overblowing it or just downright blindhating it.

The fact that some people hate the media and then trying to hate the story as well in a, pardon, hypocritical way does not help my impression in that its simple hate justification.

Thats not to say that FGO story is the best out there. Its indeed sometimes lacking, verily so in some older parts. Or just downright bad.
But i cant help but to find many points to be nitpicking the story just to fuel the dislike not on the story itself, but on the medium.

I have no problem people disliking fgo.
I just have problem when the expression of such hate is misplaced.

[Marmadillo]

"we interrupt this bloody civil war so that we can focus on the busty saberface in a bridal dress stomping around a wild west inspired village trying to be a movie star from the golden age of hollywood"

if that is not enough to take you out of the narrative then i have to ask you how much of the fiction you consume is otaku media and how much has actual literary value

[Yggdrasil]

"We interrupt your hunt on child murderer Servant and your Kiritsugu angst so that we can focus on a giant man walking around with no pants."

[Mcjon01]

We interrupt your Tohno family drama to focus on how Akiha is a sloppy drunk with no tits

[Tobias]

We interrupt your Tohno family drama to focus on how Akiha is a sloppy drunk with no tits

I thought she was a rather elegant drunk!

[castor212]

"we interrupt this bloody civil war so that we can focus on the busty saberface in a bridal dress stomping around a wild west inspired village trying to be a movie star from the golden age of hollywood"
if that is not enough to take you out of the narrative then i have to ask you how much of the fiction you consume is otaku media and how much has actual literary value

your subtle ad hominem aside, pardon, but that's another example of exaggeration
To answer you: no, it doesnt put me out of narrative. Because the scene preceding it is not a scene showing seriously serious bloody war, but a scene with Robin saying, with classic Robin's yareyaredaze attitude, of how he know some Servants who are allies but both are problem child, and then us recruiting Liz following us recruiting Nero. The readers are practically prepped for a ridiculous shenanigans, and the flow on that whole narrative is lighhearted in nature, easingly transition us from civil war -> we need allies -> oh hey i (robin) knows some allies -> complains that that those allies are problem child, foreshadowing practically CCC bunch here.
So no, I dont find any flow breaking there.

also, i do said majority, because not all of them is flawless.
but the example you kept on bringing about previously, Blackbeard, actually strengthen Oceanos mood and story impression as a fun, pirate adventure story for me, as opposed to some people's experience here. its things like that.

[aldeayeah]

We interrupt your Tohno family drama to focus on how Akiha is a sloppy drunk with no tits

Uninterrupted no-titness is the baseline on which the Far Side is erected.

[Nihilm]

We interrupt your Tohno family drama to focus on how Akiha is a sloppy drunk with no tits

That was not even a lighthearted comedy scene, come on. If anything make fun of the scene of Akiha not knowing how to eat bread because she was so rich she never had to eat bread or picking the retard options and taking Arc to an alleyway because that is where vampires want to be.

Of course both of those are the same as the SoL scenes in SN, in that there is a clear seperation on when the story is trying to show you the everyday life of Shiki and then the night life. It doesn't just interject a random xD moment in a serious scene.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

"We interrupt your hunt on child murderer Servant and your Kiritsugu angst so that we can focus on a giant man walking around with no pants."

Now that was glorious. Especially when he decided he WANTED pants.

[Laserman]

now, my initial point is that, anything comedic to the point of meta had always been p much restricted to events, much like tm previous works

the rest of the example that people brought out, was either a hang on from previous works (liz, bride) or light hearted moments which came to be thanks to how some of the characters are

I think you're right. I can't readily remember anything too silly or random that happened outside of an event that wasn't in character. Though are things that still bother me.

[Mcjon01]

It doesn't just interject a random xD moment in a serious scene.

Neither does FGO but here we are

[Marmadillo]

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My ad hominem is neither subtle nor really ad hominem. I'm theorizing that you've become desensitized to crap like this, because the issue is quite endemic to otaku media.

And again, the problem isn't a lighthearted pause to the civil war. It is introducing characters that do not fit the narrative, barely recognize the seriousness of the situation and altogether act as if they're in a completely different time period. Blackbeard is the same, even putting aside giving him a highly questionable otaku checklist personality without really much justification.
As a counterexample you have Nightingale - she has bunch of lighthearted moments, and despite her weirdness she is well integrated into the story.

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"We interrupt your hunt on child murderer Servant and your Kiritsugu angst so that we can focus on a giant man walking around with no pants."

What's this from? Sounds like a character-establishing moment for Iskander, but my F/Z memory fails me.

[Nihilm]

Neither does FGO but here we are

Idk, the monent you realize you are playing fgo is a pretty xd one

[castor212]

And again, the problem isn't a lighthearted pause to the civil war.

pardon me then, your example is a lighthearted pause in a civil war so i assume what you mean is a lighthearted pause in a civil war.

I suppose i am right in that its just anoyher form of exaggeration

no, im not desentisized
if i am than i will not admit that FGO is bad in someways
actually i dont read LNs anymore in generals
but what I mean is, sorry, but not everyone has to have the same value as you do, no?

It is introducing characters that do not fit the narrative, barely recognize the seriousness of the situation and altogether act as if they're in a completely different time period.

sure
but that doesnt have anything to do with what we are arguing. we are arguing about tonal dissonancy, no?
when the scene eases up by slightly going from serious to lighthearted, i dont feel any dissonancy, irrespective of who the character itself, because there is an actual effort to make the transition without sudden scene change

your problem has a point, yes. i would readily admit that and america problem of too-many-characters
but i dont see that as in between scenes breaking the flow. because the fact is, they make an effort so the flow does not break. Nor is there a blur between supposedly serious and supposedly comedy scene, because the way i read it, there;s no sudden injection of comedy to serious and vice versa.

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if you want to bring "this character is bad" then for me thats more of a different ball park already

[Yggdrasil]

What's this from? Sounds like a character-establishing moment for Iskander, but my F/Z memory fails me.

Iskandar wants to go around during day. He order a T-Shirt on line, but he doesn't remember that pants exist.
NSFW

Spoiler:

[Lily Emilio]

Blackbeard is the same, even putting aside giving him a highly questionable otaku checklist personality without really much justification

Takeuchi: If we’re talking about Drake, then we can’t leave out Blackbeard. While discussing the directions for the characters, we decided to revise Blackbeard’s image into being a wicked otaku, and in the end when looking back at the game, he’s really an unbelievably disgusting otaku. (laugh)

Blame Takeuchi.

[castor212]

That is

If you asks me which a better character, Nightingale or Nero/Liz, in america, id without a doubt say Nightingale.

But thats not to say there is a dissonance.

The scene where they met Liz and Nero Bride was prepped to be ligthearted in nature, and so they act lightheartedly.

In scenes where they are supposed to act seriously in a serious tone, such as Nero Bride during assassination or Liz during berating Rama, they are acting befitting of the mood demanded by the scene.

[Marmadillo]

sure
but that doesnt have anything to do with what we are arguing. we are arguing about tonal dissonancy, no?

Yes we are in part talking about tonal dissonance. The point since the start has been that for example foodporn in FSN is not tonally dissonant because it is much better integrated into the narrative unlike the examples I've given for FGO. It provides some balance to the rising action points according to the normal dramatic structure. Several moments in FGO otoh, while maybe trying to do the same, miss and interrupts the flow. They present a conflicting timeline or badly integrated character behaviour or some other type of inconsistency that makes you confused about how to interpret the narrative and often just breaks your disbelief.

[Yggdrasil]

Jan Jansen does what Jan Jansen does.

[SpoonyViking]

"We interrupt this Grail War to have wacky romantic misunderstandings between Shirou, Sakura, and Rin, followed by a wacky romantic culinary romantic scene between Shirou and Kirei."
For the record, I don't think the VN suffers from tonal dissonance, but I haven't seen any tonal dissonance yet in GO either. I'll judge Babylon and Lost Temple when I read those.