[Originally posted by Tangerang on Jul 22, 2010, 5:07pm]
Oh, sorry, let me rephrase it then.
The amount of Servants is exactly as much as characters have observed.
Let's be absolutely clear here.
This number, 'the amount of Servants' refers to the number of Servants that have been summoned in Tengetsu since the Grail War 96 years ago, not the number of Servants currently existing on Tengetsu. In other words, this island already houses X Servants.
[Originally posted by Tobias on Jul 23, 2010, 2:58pm]
hmm, well, you certainly have that right, but in so doing, a question was asked and not answered. I had intended to refrain from guessing for a while, for fear of asking to much to soon, but in this case i will take another guess in return for the last one. and again, it is an old questionAs for what comes to your blue truth, Tobias...
I shall refrain from answering. I refuse to tell the reason.
my previous theory on the spirit road, is correct!
[Originally posted by Verg Avesta on Jul 23, 2010, 4:44pm]
.......Let's stop for a moment. I want to suppliment a rule. Lambdaster, are you ready?
Of course, ready to witness!
From this moment forward, blue truth will be only accepted valid when used in conjunction with a theory. In other words, blue truths that are meant to ascertain things are no longer accepted. Only theories.
This should make things more clear.
[Originally posted by Tobias on Jul 23, 2010, 4:54pm]
....whaa?
[Originally posted by TypeChaos on Jul 23, 2010, 5:01pm]
O.o'! -(Ororo?)
[Originally posted by Tangerang on Jul 23, 2010, 5:26pm]
Fair enough.
But I can still ask you to repeat this in red.
Say it:
'At the current point at time, exactly seven Servants exist on the island of Tengetsu.'
[Originally posted by Tobias on Jul 23, 2010, 5:29pm]
Were you able to follow that tang? And if so, does it invalidate my asking questions regarding my theory that the spirit road is a herring?
[Originally posted by Tangerang on Jul 23, 2010, 6:58pm]
It seems like we have some people who have trouble understanding the blue truth now. Therefore, I have taken the liberty of finding and posting the relevant screenshots from umineko explaining the blue. Might be a bit long though.
And here's some bonus scenes about the blue
[Originally posted by Tobias on Jul 23, 2010, 9:22pm]
Hmmm.....ok, I believe I understand....well, in that case, it may be nessasary to restate my original theory, in order for it to fit with the new rules, but the basic thesis that a spirit road is incompatable because of it's status as a contradiction should still be valid, correct? because I have a fully formed theory on the repercusions of a spirit road as such, it should be fine given the new rules and I would be asking verg to invalidate that theory as opposed to just confirming or denying spirit road's status as a herring, is that correct?
[Originally posted by Tangerang on Jul 23, 2010, 9:28pm]
Well basically, it goes something like this.
Spirit Road does not exist might not work, but Spirit Road has nothing to do with the Tengetsu Mystery should be allowed.
[Originally posted by Tobias on Jul 24, 2010, 3:08am]
ok, lets see if i understand the new rules then
a/the spirit road's purpose is to distract players from the truth!
[Originally posted by Xelloss on Jul 25, 2010, 7:44pm]
Alpha is something other than human. He might be Judger, for example.
Whatever he is, it gives him strength and speed that is a bit difficult to pass off as simple Reinforcement.
This does not mean that he is not also a Magus.
In addition, Judger is not a Servant at all, his name serving as a distraction.
[Originally posted by Hyarion on Jul 25, 2010, 8:39pm]
Never got a response on this one via PM, so I'll throw it out here since Alpha's gone.
Alpha wrote the Masters' letters.
The letters' author claims to have evaluated each Master, after all, so this was the first thing I thought of when Alpha pulled the Bai/Lightning stunt. Of course there are other theories, like Alpha getting his knowledge from this mysterious letter-writer -- which incidentally fits well with the Alpha-as-Judger theory, since we know Judger works/worked with someone -- but this is the only one I can flesh out at the moment.
So. En garde, Trollvenger.
[Originally posted by Verg Avesta on Jul 29, 2010, 6:03pm]
the spirit road's purpose is to distract players from the truth!
Heh. Well, why don't we do like this this time?
Blue truth, effective!
And what comes you people who suspect our dear Alpha, this is for you.
Alpha is a human! And he did not write those letters that the players got!
[Originally posted by Tangerang on Jul 29, 2010, 7:57pm]
Verg, define 'human'
[Originally posted by Verg Avesta on Jul 29, 2010, 7:59pm]
Now aren't we suspicious? Human is, of course, a human. The exact thing we understand when we think of that term. Homo Sapiens, a wise monkey, whatever you want to call it. The term human, of course, refers to Nasuverse's idea of human.
[Originally posted by Tangerang on Jul 29, 2010, 8:05pm]
There are some gray areas though. For example, let's take Alexander's wish or what happened to Gilgamesh. They obtained (or wanted to obtain) 'human bodies'. Would they be classified as humans then?
[Originally posted by Verg Avesta on Jul 29, 2010, 8:15pm]
Hmm....That's true. There are some cases that could slip in with that definition. Let's revise it a bit:
"When referred to as "human", that being also has a human soul".
That should prevent those Heroic Spirits from interfiering, no....?
[Originally posted by Tangerang on Jul 29, 2010, 8:18pm]
<Good>
So basically, so long as it has a human body and human soul, it's a 'human', right? As long as it meets those requirements, it can definitely be referred to as 'human', right?
Such as Post 4th war Kotomine, or Dark Sakura, right?
[Originally posted by Verg Avesta on Aug 4, 2010, 3:06pm]
Well, they were "humans", right....? So of course have to be able to call them humans, since they were nothing else.
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