Fundamental problem of Arcade. It can't deliver on FGO's greatest strength, the story.Originally Posted by AmADo VII
I want to ask somebody who plays Arcade frequently if the gameplay is fun enough to make up for that. However, I would be shocked if there's a single person in this thread who does. At best there's probably someone who's tried it a couple times then never again.
I played it while in Japan, it was ok. The best part was clearly having physical versions of your cards so it makes spending money on gacha feel less like funneling money into the void.
I have all Marie's ascensions in physical form as proof of my devotion.
Know that I salute you.
KH sounds like he just want to go back to his crib as soon as possible.
Pruning happens at intervals, so the number of timelines is dependent on the proximity to the prune.
The lowest number would be right when the QTL is made, the highest number before the QTL is made.
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
Just ok? Is it worth paying for playtime to grind? I imagine a lot of people stop playing at some point to just stare at their physical collection.
What is the range in timeline numbers? Is it in the millions?
I don't think there is an answer.
The range of timelines from QTL A to QTL B would depend on the specific QTLs, since the QTL is determined by the mean event with the greatest potential.
"Greatest potential" implies the number of timelines that survive each round of QTL changes.
One million timelines could make it past one QTL but only a thousand make through the next or vice versa. The concept is less about the magnitude and more the ebb and cull.
The range would therefore be "the lowest amount of timelines" to "the most the solar system can maintain"
I don't think anyone can definitively say that the solar system cannot maintain a million timelines. However, if you want a hard-ish? limit:
This part is my headcanon but perhaps different QTLs also give rise to intervals where the number of timelines proliferate at different rates as well. Since potential doesn't need to just mean highest number remaining, but could mean the viability of those timelines to produce other timelines. For instance one QTL giving rise to 10,000 timelines and each of those timelines give rise to a new timeline every 2 h vs QTL that leaves 1,000 timelines but each of those timelines result in a new timeline every 20 mins. Either way, there are many ways to interpret how the time tree grows. Trying to figure out hard numbers or even ballpark numbers for the bounds seems difficult.
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
Timeline stuff was a mistake
Iunno sounds like removal/deletion to me!
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Also both Goetia and Solomon directly state it in the Temple of Time, after Ars Nova is invoked
To wit (while I'm using my own translation of the scene, the NA one doesn't miss anything relevant to the topic)
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re:Timelines
The easiest way to think about it is that there are countless timelines, but they are not infinite.
Zepia tells us that in Case Files, and it's implicit when Goetia says he wrung out nearly infinite energy from humanity, not truly infinite energy.
It's like the stars in the sky; how many are there? You could estimate, sure, but ultimately, it's a number so huge that they are beyond counting, but they are not infinite either.
At least not within the scope of the observable universe.
I suggest you both rereading Ars Nova's description in the material IV.
I suggest you reread Ars Nova, because I don't think it says what you seem to think it says.
Rather, it precisely aligns with what the story (i.e. the most important matter) says it does, and elaborates upon the system behind that; by invoking Ars Nova, Solomon indicates that he has completed his work, and therefore will never be called upon again. No more lingering regrets, leftover desires, or stagnant remnants; he has completed all his duties and thus removed himself from the Throne.
And as point of order, the very text you cite states that Solomon erases himself from the Throne in the doing of Ars Nova.
What it does not state, and indeed the two should not be equated, is that the erasure of Solomon from the Throne of Heroes is the same as the complete destruction of all Solomons backwards in time, or the complete obliteration of his spirit; rather, he has simply moved on, and entered a state in which no one will ask for his aid again.
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I was quoting the mats themselves you realize...
But you didn't post the explanation of those lines. Ignoring the full context and explanation is bad.
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And that is the point madarra said. The first parts claiming he is removed from the throne, then the later parts clarified what "being deleted from the throne" actually means here. It's locking the access to his records in the throne.
Well can you post them? and the issue here is the simple nature of putting the throne outside of time makes applying such a thing as 'can summon ------> cannot summon' a odd prospect to grapple with
https://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthrea...and-Order-Mats
Literally in the first post index.
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The whole can/cannot summon has been a thing for awhile now so idk why you complain about it just now.
Castor's translations are so crazy. They make me smile everytime.
In some way it is not too odd that Nasu didn't write too much about the mechanics of the Grand Servants in the materials yet, because he likes to keep things under wrap until they're ready to fully uncovered at the story's conclusion. In that sense, I almost feel like it is too early to judge exactly what the meaning of the Grand Crown is, and what the exact mechanics of throwing it away entails.
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Throwing away the Crown is quitting the job and the power boost is just from the unused vacation days being converted into power for payment
In case you have trouble finding it, it's the bolded part.
Ars Nova on Solomon
My line of thinking that I'm holding onto for now (that isn't so much about what the grand crowns are or what throwing it away entails) is that because Grands are based on Beasts, and the Beast horns were also called a crown in Olympus, I expect it to be entirely possible for a Beast to discard their crown for a similar kamikaze boost like the Grands can, and we just haven't seen that utilized yet (but might for UOM since it was for her specifically it was called a crown too). Of course this depends a bit on how the discard works, but the mechanic and result might still be there.
To throw my 2 cents into this, There is never an answer about how many timelines there are max but Extella does state it cannot support them indefinitely which is why they are cut off at 100 year Intervals. Timelines get pruned easily because the ones that pass through the QTL become the immutable truth of Humanity(and again, there's equally no said number for how many pass. For example 3-4 Timelines canonically pass through the QTL in Extella, The True Route, Tamamo's Route, Karna's Route and Artoria's) and considering how Nasu does explain the differences between the Anime and the VN, potentially the adaptations count too as their own timelines and so would the Bad/Dead Ends and there you go.
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