Yeah, but the way Arturia does it is different. This was brought up before.Originally Posted by Ruisu
Yeah, but the way Arturia does it is different. This was brought up before.
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I'm pretty sure any other servant could 'summon' their armor or weapons on top of casual clothes or something similar, so I'm not sure how that's different from arthuria's mana armor.
Afaik, the only difference in arthuria's use of mana is how she uses mana burst for strength and agility instead of her 'natural' strength. I don't think her armor is that special, most servants should have something similar.
Sure, Servants that can mana burst could do something similar.
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and gae dearg doesnt magically erase anything made from maryoku
it cut off the flow of maryoku, like bounded fields.
To not mention Artoria's weird condition in 4th and 5th hgw
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If the armor was originally magical, Gae Dearg can pass through it.
When it's not... then it would still pass through. Ordinary armor no matter how well made would not be able to stop a Noble Phantasm unless it's too a Noble Phantasm. Do note that when Diarmuid faced Saber he felt no surprise when his spear went through her armor, he knew it was strong enough to do so anyway. It was Artoria that was surprised because since she knew her armor was magical she thought that it could withstand some damage even from a NP
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If Diarmuid just dispersed everything servant related with Gae Dearg, he'd turn himself to nothing just by holding it. Gas Dearg only seems to nullify continuous enchantments.
Regarding Saberlot, Diarmuid's NPs don't counter anything he has specifically and Lancelot is more skilled with more useful NPs. Diarmuid would have to wound him before he can use Arondight, but unless his armor works like Artoria's that's not practical.
The difference being that her armor is independently woven by magical energy even before being a Servant.
But I don't think that Artoria is unique in that. especially to those from her time. She lived in a era where people still had magic, so I don't see why that knights like Gawain or Lancelot also had their armor similarly made or at least enchanted. Of course as they don't have mana burst to dematerialize the armors energy into different things. But when comparing an armor made from magic to one enchanted by magic to be harder, it will all have to same result to Gae Dearg
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Artoria's a reactor of magical energy and had Merlin to teach her this stuff. Gawain and Lancelot don't have any capacity for magecraft as far as we know and Merlin didn't interact with the other knights much.
Lancelot and Gawain aren't dragons. Mana burst is really only practical to those that have some inhuman battery.
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Not true, Gae Dearg is a counter to Knight of Owner, has been since Zero. Even if he doesn't use it that much it's still a counter.
Even if his armor isn't like Artoria's if it's just normal armor Gae Dearg and Gae Bulhde could pierce it easily. If it is enchanted in some way then Buidhe can't harm him but Dearg still can. As for NPs, KoO is countered and For Someone's Glory is impractical for a straight fight. That just leaves Arondight. With it Lancelot is skilled enough to win, but without it goes to Diarmuid if he were to rely on KoO like Berserker
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This is Saberlot, KoO apparently isn't an NP for him and he wouldn't have any reason to use it.
If his armor is just really tough Gae Dearg wouldn't work. We don't know if it's magically enhanced or not so that's kinda guesswork. But there's still no reason Lance would use KoO so this would be a physical fight.
I'm not talking about Gawain and Lancelot having Mana Burst. Just whether they have special armor or not. Because even if there armor is enchanted in someway to be harder then normal or is just regular armor, Diarmuid has no trouble getting past that. Again this has to do that against NPs they won't help you much unless it's special in someway magically and Gae Dearg thing is that even if it is special it will still harm you because that's what it does.
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"Having armor similarly made" is hard when it's a spell that you need spellwork and excess mana to do.
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I know he doesn't use KoO that's not the point. I was just contering what you said that Diarmuid doesn't have anything that counters what Lancelot does.
Also tell me how tough an armor has to be that it can block strikes that ripped shipping containers in one blow? You can only get that level of toughness through magic, which is something Gae Daerg negates.
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I don't think there's a way to know if Lancelot's armor is magic or just tough.
If Diarmuid can cut it I'd give him a fair chance, if only because Knightly Tactics seems like it would make Lancelot forget about Arondight long enough for Diarmuid to have a shot at wounding him, but Lance is still more skilled so landing a good hit will be tricky. Lance would win more often than not.
It's my mistake saying that Lancelot's armor probably could work under the same mechanics as Artoria's but I see no problem of his armor being magically enhanced. You would expect that be a given for an Arthurian knight to you know, have enchanted armor. I would think being a member of the Round Table would have made that a mandatory part of their arsenal. If it's not, that's fine. But then normal armor won't help you much against powerful mysteries that are NPs.
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Also even if the armor is magically enhanced, that's a permanent enhancement Gae Dearg can't negate.
The point i'm trying to get isn't whether it's magical or not. It's that it doesn't make a difference one way or another. Going from Diarmuid's confidence when he faced Saber, no matter what type of armor you wear he's gonna get through. You need NP armor for it to even matter.
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That's a fair point.
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