Medea inside her temple could literally freeze space (however that works) to hold Archer in place.Originally Posted by Rafflesiac
I presume Scathach would at least have something that could slow Gawain enough for her to use more magic. Plus, her physical parameters are pretty close to peak Servant power, she should be able to tank or at least mitigate some damage.
But wouldn't that mean that Scathach would probably win with and without NP's?
The answer is probably yes. Or at least I give the win more often than not on the Primal Rune using Godslayer who can summon Servants as well as use fun spear techniques.
The main issue with Scathach vs are that (as far as I'm aware) she still has quite some unrevealed tricks, and has a lot of hype. But given that she jobbed at times she's seen as less impressive. (But Karna and Gil also job all the time so meh) Killing gods as a feat is generally impressive (but nasuverse seem to get downplayed in story, so maybe not as impressive) Primal Runes are ??? but probably very impressive considering what we have seen. Being a teacher of many heroes is a feat in of itself, imo, and maybe theres something else in one of her interludes but I'm very unsure about that at this point, since I cant find the interlude anymore
Tldr, scathach has secrets and hype feats, but in story she jobs, take that how you'd like to.
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Gawain has double her bases even before the x3, he's blasting her to kingdom come when he lands a hit. Also he has far better MR than Emiya, so he'd be able to resist her magic to an extent.
Shouldn't that be "if" he lands a hit? Isn't she supposed to be a weaponsmaster even above most Servants?
Most other jobbers actually do impressive things before they job i.e Gil, Karna, Ozy, Cu
Scathach doesn't even do those things, she just straight up job
Cu does seem to be able to put up a spell (just some spell, not even his NP or anything) to block a great noble phantasm, and considering she only taught him one of the sets she knows, she'd be above him in that, at the very least.
pls gaem give us some actual feats when Aife/Scaster/whoeverthefucksheis comes out
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Just because the student can do something doesn't mean the teacher can also do said thing or is better at said thing
I.e, Cu and Achilles
Archer broke out of Medea's space prison, Gawain shouldn't have much trouble.
Archer didn't exactly "break out" by force of will though. The only reason he escaped was by hitting her with Kansho & Bakuya, distracting her long enough for the spell to wear off (or at least weaken enough for him to break out). As far as I know Gawain doesn't have any delayed projectile attacks like EMIYA does, so I can't see him pulling a repeat of that trick.
Then again, he's way stronger then EMIYA in almost every way so maybe he really could break out just by sheer force of will...
ok, seriously, that is what you are going to base your logic on? the thing that only killed powerless civilians and got overcome by a B++ NP fired from a nearly dead Servant, when Gouging Spear has the same B++ rank?
honestly, did Arash even have an active master contract at that point?
so, not the power to buff or summon servants
not the OP energy barrier
not the power to summon a city
your argument hangs on the existence of a beam with a piss poor track record
Last edited by fire_mountain_30; May 22nd, 2018 at 02:30 PM.
She literally taught him to use one of the sets she uses. If the dude who doesn't give a shit about magic but loves his spear has a barrier of that power, you can bet your top hat she will.
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Nope.
He brute forced himself out of it before medea even realized there were blades coming for her.
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Really? I remember him pretty immobile. Maybe I'm letting the anime influence me to much
"Only in my company, will you not be a monster"
anywhere than here
Archer murmurs something.
"? What is it? If you are begging for your life, I might just list
"
"I said, Caster."
He sounds irritated.
When I try hard to catch his voice
"
Archer jumps as he yells.
Caster is perplexed by Archer's scream.
A white and a black light are aiming for Caster.
Caster's robe is cut off.
It must be because Caster reacted to Archer's yell, as she manages to narrowly avoid the attacks.
Yes. First he breaks out using "his powers" (I'm guessing that's magical energy) and jumps out of the way. He was still frozen for a moment, though, it wasn't immediate.
he still has K&B technically equipped, bonus
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Wrong. We only saw Arash fired his NP then we don't see anything else. The shot might be equal, or he managed to knocked it out of the way. Regardless, Arash only managed to intercept the beam because the shot he did was in the form of a concentrated magic energy blast. Dr Roman explained b4 the scene that the strongest NPs have firepower of 1000-3000 (Ea is max 4000 as per FSN) yet the amount of energy Lion King's beam has is over 3 millions. Arash basically managed to match that amount with his own beam. Remember, Arash's NP is not your everyday B++ NP, it's the shot that splits the land and has the range of 2500km in legend, and while it is anti-army its destructive power in on par with anti-fortress and anti-country range. Now imagine he concentrated all of that power into 1 shot and launch that massive energy beam into Lion Ling's casual beam. Gouging Spear can't do any of that shit dude.
And she can SPAM that shit over and over again if she wants to.
Note that Ea's 4000 is just talking about the energy it releases as beam and not taking it's tectonic energy from the cylinders or the truth conceptual effect into account.
Not disagreeing with or even directing this to you, what you said was correct for Rhon and Stella. I just wanted to put this out in cases of misunderstandings that Rhon > Ea people could get because there's lot more to Ea to make it hax.
"Only in my company, will you not be a monster"
anywhere than here
Yeah, the base attack from Ea is about at the same level as Excalibur. It's the conceptual shenanigans that make it so hax.
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