On a scale of 1 to 10, Gil being a 10 and Emiya a 2, how strong are shuten and raikou?
On a scale of 1 to 10, Gil being a 10 and Emiya a 2, how strong are shuten and raikou?
12.Originally Posted by fire_mountain_30
If you want a serious answer IDK how to give it to you because I don't know what you mean but both of them have A ranked strength while Gil has B ranked iirc.
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prolly a 6 and 9
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Emiya isn't really a 2. A 2 is Shakespeare or similar. 1 be Hans and Angra. Also I wouldn't place Gil as 10 but outside of 10. 10 HS would be like Karna and Heracles, but by his nature Gil is even above that.
Anyway as for Raikou and Shuten. Both are rivals and should be similar in power, I'd say somewhere around 8. Maybe 9 or 7 but around that area if we're just getting approximations.
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Like, there's so many factors that go into how much a servant excels that depending on the metrics they could be both below EMIYA or both be above Gilgamesh or they could land somewhere in the middle.
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Caster Gil vs Iskandar.
No more hax Ea, just NP barrage and HS soldiers. Here we go
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True, but there are obviously servants that are just, in a general sense, on a certain level of overall power and deadlyness, compared to each other
Amakusa and astolfo are 3rd rate, the mooncell picks top servants from a pool of high level heroes, Emiya is below average canonically, the round table knights are all considered strong, except Bedi, according to Mordred`s master, etc...
Sure you could beat Okita Alter with loli jack due to compatibility, but from an overall perspective, one is way above the other. Same for shirou vs Gil
Last edited by fire_mountain_30; June 28th, 2018 at 03:40 PM.
I don't think there's much IH can do against a walled off city in which every single citizen is using a legendary AOE bombardment staff of some sort.
Gordius Wheel might be a different case, though, I doubt there are many staves that can kill the bulls.
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Assuming Gil`s barrage with his NP is all the contents of his gate worth firing, that is a near infinite ammount of broken NPs against a few 10Ks soldiers. Gil.has more firepower.
Plus Alexander may need to brrak down those high wallsnig Gil`s NP actually lets him summon the actual city
On a scale of 1-10, with 10 being Gil, 9 being Karna, 8 being Herk, 7 being Gawain, 6 being Cu, 5 being Vlad, 4 being Emiya, 3 being Medea, 2 being Fran, 1 being Shakes, and .001 being Angra,
But Fran can go 5 if imploding
While Medea with territory and Rule Breaker'd Servants be a 6
Emiya can either be a 1 when he's distracted by his first love or an 8 when off-screen
Karna can fall to a 4 + 4 Sieg and Astolfo combo
Amakusa is like a 2-3 normally and like a 8-9 with a Grail
Artoria slides from a .1 without mana burst to a 9-10 with Avalon
Enkidu is like a 5 FGO gameplay but a 9 on paper
Sanzang can sara ni mukou e plus ultra to palm at 11
Tawara is like a 3-4 but has 100 in non-battle-formula
...wait what were we talking about again?
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Servant math is worst type of math.
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They could you know climb the walls. IH should come with a few siege ladders. While the bombardment is AoG level barrages. Every single solider in IH is a heroic spirit, no mooks there. They can probably take it, if I remember right Iskandar was confident in Zero that his soldiers could survive barrages from GoB
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The same Iskandar who was confident he could charge Saber faster than she could fire off an Excaliblast.
Those soldiers aren't 10k, there more then that. Describe as tens of thousands. Ten is plural. Also again there all HS. They don't have NPs but they would still have their skills, they aren't possers.
As for firepower, for all the broken phantasms his city is B rank. B rank Anti-Fortress but still.
Also I think Gordius wheel could break the gates if it had full charge considering.
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And Waver thinks it could have done so if he wasn't riding with Iskandar, saying that because Iskandar had to worry over his safety he had to bail early.
Last edited by Iceblade44; June 28th, 2018 at 04:08 PM.
"Only in my company, will you not be a monster"
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Short reminder that Rank =/= Powerlevels
But CasGil still has Ea, he just doesn't use it unless you make him really want to use it, which is something Iskandar can do.
I'm pretty sure I remember that being a mistranslation. There are Heroic Spirits in IH, some even stronger than Iskandar, but they aren't all HSes, and there are plenty of mooks.
Agreed, nothing about it ever adds up.
Shuten is a huge deal Oni. That alone obviously makes her pretty strong. I'd say she's one of the tops of monster servants we've seen. Not that we actually have that many to compare with. Gorgon is also super high up and while Asterios is very strong he's sort of outdone by the prana bursting all status ailment sake touting Oni, and super Medusa. Those two have more going for them than just being very strong, which is kind of the baseline of monsters. Isn't it sad bull-kun?
Raikou is of course very strong, but I don't feel like she's actually that good as far as A-list heroes go when she is a Berserker. She's kind of like a weird mix of Lancelotzerker and Arturia Saber in her skillset and so she ends up with mainly just prana bursting and fighting people really good without any real tricks. Unless you're a monster, then she kills you but you can be a super monsterslayer that also has special things that work on everyone like Cu or Hercules in my opinion.
I'd personally say Shuten is better than Raikou overall, but Raikou is still a big deal hero with a B++ anti army, so she technically wins in anti army Np clashes against all those common A+ swordbeams.
She's just boring for a super top culture hero.
They'd probably be stronger as servants is how I look at it. Alternatively if you compared them and Iskander who has none of his Noble Phantasms then yes they can beat him up? But Iskander without his noble phantasms doesn't really do anything? so it's not really much of a point?
She's a mystery-killer, which has wider range than just monsters; it's why she's super-effective against Earth and Sky Servants in FGO.
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