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Ozy doesn't fire actual solar flares from the sun, he just fires a blast from the bulb.Originally Posted by Ronove
You try running from a pissed off sun! That shits scary!
But they are said to be comparable to one.
That's powerful
"Only in my company, will you not be a monster"
anywhere than here
That seems like hyperbole, if that were accurate to how powerful it were then "capable of vaporizing Tokyo" wouldn't be how it's output was described.
There is no upper limit mentioned. It just says it'd vaporize Tokyo Bay.
It's not like this is even close to some of the more OP stuff we've seen anyway when AAS/VS/Excalibur/Ea exists. Get to gods like Sefar/Amaterasu/Buddha and you're looking at star level.
No but an actual solar flare would vaporize the entire country which seems like a more imposing descriptor.
No Noble Phantasm is remotely approaching the level of millions of nukes at once except AAS. Excalibur and Ea don't compare.
what would be the point of the designation then?
for example, anti-mountain only has a mountain range effective range despite you throwing a replica of venus at someone.
anti-planet targets the entire planet.
the designations are what they are meant to destroy. it would be pretty shitty if yiu were made to do something and yiu couldnt do it.
i usually just look at the designation and the rank of an NP. Enuma elish is only supposed to have a 99 meter range and target 1000 people and it stomped Ionian Hetairoi from well over 99 meters away and an army of tens of thousands
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i dont recall that. the only claim to fame the entire fandom throws around for him being...about 1.3 times SoL is his 50 slashes in under s certain timeframe against Reinhard, using his gudou briah
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May I remind people that range is not specified as meters.
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I don't know what you mean by Gudou Briah either. Reinhard and Ren only ever fight seriously when the latter is in the emanation phase right after fighting Machina; post briah but pre-atziluth.
ok, found it.
however, Edmond isnt restricted by space and time from the very basis of his ability and his saint graph damage by itself implies FTL movement.
every time i see Edmond vs Ren even in groups heavily biased towards dies irae, no one puts Ren as winning that fght, so i wont either.
Edmond also has his flames for ranged combat, which, in his sidestory, burned souls, curses, magical barriers, a vampire's denial of history ability and their near invulnerability through automatic time manipulation, so i would say that he is pretty well armed for that fight
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then what are the units? Ri?
Excalibur is the planet's defensive weapon and what killed Sefar in one shot.
Ea according to CCC/Extella is what finalized the planet's creation. Then we have Strange Fake stuff like a botched Gugalanna summon making an 800 kilometer typhoon, while the real thing can cause planetary storms. Gilgamesh and Enkidu working together, killed it.
My point is that hyperbole is a shallow argument when there are much better showings from stronger characters anyway.
Marie route, before the machina fight. all 8 swastikas were open and just 6 of them already afford him 90% poeer, which is a measurement taken from the 2nd route.
It isn't specified.
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Excalibur gains a boost against aliens and what did Sefar do quantifiably? Finalizing the planet's creation doesn't tell us much
We have no context on Gil and Enkidu killing Gugalanna and that was when they were alive and not Servants.
We actually don't have better showing from any Servant, a solar flare would dwarf every other Noble Phantasm by countless orders of magnitude. Excalibur, Vasavi Shakti and Ea working together couldn't possibly match that. So yes it does seem like a hyperbole or outlier.
Isn't restricted by space-time is a useless denominator that gives you nothing for legitimate speed. And if Dantes breaks his saint graph anyway, then that's still his loss compared to the other two, who achieve FTL casually, with no repercussions.
ad populum, dude. They could just be...you know, wrong?every time i see Edmond vs Ren even in groups heavily biased towards dies irae, no one puts Ren as winning that fght, so i wont either.
Pucci would evade it all. He doesn't even need to be in the general area to fight Dantes in order to win.Edmond also has his flames for ranged combat, which, in his sidestory, burned souls, curses, magical barriers, a vampire's denial of history ability and thei
near invulnerability through automatic time manipulation, so i would say that he is pretty well armed for that fight
Ren has resistance to most of this, tanks supernovas and multiversal grand crosses. What can Dantes do that would even get him to notice?
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Excalibur has no buffs against aliens, where did you make this up?
Extella Materials confirm that Sefar Stage 7 has the power on the level of a star, just like Amaterasu. Sefar's stages are categorized on size and the version we see on Earth is dwarfing mountains. Tamamo even implies Amaterasu lost to it.
Ea is nation-building authority and put on what is currently the upper layer of the planet. How does this tell you nothing for how OP it is?Finalizing the planet's creation doesn't tell us much
The context is they defeat it 'splendidly', just like they did Humbaba, which Enkidu believed was the strongest being on the planet. What more do we need when the incomplete Gugalanna, casually achieves ridiculous showings just by being summoned? Not even a means of attack, just it being there.We have no context on Gil and Enkidu killing Gugalanna and that was when they were alive and not Servants.
Them being servants isn't relevant here. It's that stronger individuals have more impressive showings than Ozy, so why do we need to think it's an outlier/hyperbole? Because you say so?
Strange Fake would disagree.We actually don't have better showing from any Servant
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Classification is different from range ever since the beginning, this is elementary.
No, it is anti-mountain because it represents the legend of Ishtar destroying the mountain Ebih. Doesn't mean it has mountain range or must be used to destroy a mountain.for example, anti-mountain only has a mountain range effective range despite you throwing a replica of venus at someone.
Wrong. anti-planet/star means "you will use this shit against a planet/star", doesn't mean it can cover the entire planet/star. Look at the nuke Saber Venus did to the pseudo star core of Velber probe.anti-planet targets the entire planet.
No, anti-X here means they are "to be used on X", not "when I use this anti-X, then X should be destroyed". And it's not even strange for something of anti-X failed to beat X, did you not see how Kingu died by Tiamat? Just because you have this tag doesn't mean you always achieve your purpose against a target beyond you.the designations are what they are meant to destroy. it would be pretty shitty if yiu were made to do something and yiu couldnt do it.
She never did. She even said that Amaterasu would not lose to Velber cuz sun deity special snowflake bla bla, but nasty fox won't bother helping them in the first place so might as well forget the idea.
The units are understanding the reason why back when you were in school your teacher took off points if you didn't put the units on your numbers
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
At first yes, but Tamamo later drops her facade at the end of her story and says "I've lost to that titan before."
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