Badass Versus Thread

[Skull]

Saber or Lancer Diarmuid?

[Reign]

Well I meant Lancer because I forgot Saber exists, but if that's too one sided then Saber.

[Menwearpink]

Diarmuid is a good duelist but I’m pretty sure Siegfried both has the insane skills to pay the swordbills, a wave beam that Diarmuid can’t do anything against and a body he can’t really hurt.

Diarmuid’s kind of like Kojiro in that if someone doesn’t play by his rules and strengths he can’t do much about it.

[Deathhappens]

Do they know each other's identities? Because let's not forget Siegfried has a giant glowing red button on his backside, and Diarmuid has the skills to lure him into exposing it.

Also, unless Siegfried can swordbeam GG him, feels like between Gae Buidhe inflicting unhealable wounds and Mind's Eye (True) Diarmuid might have the advantage in a drawn out battle. Depends on how much damage he can do through AoF, I suppose.

[Menwearpink]

Reduction of B, strength of B.

Diarmuid isn’t doing much, if anything at all. It’ll be irrelevant chip damage at most.

He has a chance to reveal the back and go for a blow. But it’s not all that easy and the deck is very stacked against him. I give this to Siegfried say 8/10 times.

[forumghost]

I'm just imagining Diarmuid trying the play he did at the Docks in Zero only to have the Spear ping off Siegfried's chest.

He has just enough time for a Surprised Pikachu face before Balmung Bisects him

[Skull]

Can Gáe Dearg bypass through Armour of Fafnir?

I don't think that'll help much, but just wondering.

[Menwearpink]

Interrupts the flow of magic energy. AoF is Siegfried’s body being a dragon body so.

[BK201]

Having a weak spot on the back isn't actually that big of a deal. If a servant is good enough to land a direct hit on another servant's back, it will be a fatal blow for most servants anyway unless with armor or BC skill, etc. And if you are going get outskilled to the point of getting hit in the back during a fight, you probably don't stand a chance in the first place.

[fire_mountain_30]

Having a weak spot on the back isn't actually that big of a deal. If a servant is good enough to land a direct hit on another servant's back, it will be a fatal blow for most servants anyway unless with armor or BC skill, etc. And if you are going get outskilled to the point of getting hit in the back during a fight, you probably don't stand a chance in the first place.

this

in wonder why people are so dense sometimes that they think a 1v1 fight can easily end with a servant hitting the other in the back

literally name 1 example of that, please

[Tobias]

Shirou stabbed saber alter in in the back during one bad end. azoth broke on her armor.

Archer shot berserker in the back in UBW

[Deathhappens]

Having a weak spot on the back isn't actually that big of a deal. If a servant is good enough to land a direct hit on another servant's back, it will be a fatal blow for most servants anyway unless with armor or BC skill, etc. And if you are going get outskilled to the point of getting hit in the back during a fight, you probably don't stand a chance in the first place.

t. People who have apparently never fought in their lives.

A fight is dynamic. You will almost never be facing your opponent directly. You'te constantly moving around, looking for an opening. Your opponent is likely doing the same. Having to fight while protecting a weakness, even if it's just something minor like a broken finger, severely hampers what you can and cannot do. Now consider how far more limiting an instant death spot on your back is, especially when you lack the luxury of greater range. It's a testament to Siegfried's skill that he can fight as well as he can DESPITE that weakness (though to be fair most people don't know about it, and Karna was too honourable to take advantage of it).

[BK201]

Shirou stabbed saber alter in in the back during one bad end. azoth broke on her armor.

Archer shot berserker in the back in UBW

Siegfried is certainly susceptible to surprise attacks with his weak spot on the back and without instinct skill.

But against conventional opponents, it's generally hard to get at his back unless against something like GoB or Vlad in Romania.

[Criarino]

He-man X Shiki satsujinki
Discuss

[BeastXxx]

Is it safe to say that Arc is >Sun level since she's superior to Amaterasu?

[Reign]

Why would the Earth be stronger than the Sun?

[Menwearpink]

What does sun level even mean tbh.

the actual sun. The system of the planet representing the sun. The internet meme info of the sun.

Arcueid walking around weakened, with short hair and as a funny vamp, and brain of the planet super Archetype are p different too.

[fire_mountain_30]

you think hitting someone in the back while swordfighting is easy?

[fire_mountain_30]

t. People who have apparently never fought in their lives.

A fight is dynamic. You will almost never be facing your opponent directly. You'te constantly moving around, looking for an opening. Your opponent is likely doing the same. Having to fight while protecting a weakness, even if it's just something minor like a broken finger, severely hampers what you can and cannot do. Now consider how far more limiting an instant death spot on your back is, especially when you lack the luxury of greater range. It's a testament to Siegfried's skill that he can fight as well as he can DESPITE that weakness (though to be fair most people don't know about it, and Karna was too honourable to take advantage of it).

as is every other servant able to do. again, name an honorable 1v 1 fight between servants where one has been stabbed in the back with either a sword or a spear

[Deathhappens]

>聖杯戦争
>honourable 1v1

www

And no, it's not easy, but it's also not a non-factor because "lol just don't turn around". It's a severe handicap. It's literally his greatest weakness, conceptualized.