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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    In Apo Karna always considers Kundala or uses Kundala before VS.

    Using Kundala after VS makes him job because of the curse on in.
    By curse, you mean the one from Parashurama or the random Brahmin whose cow he accidentally shot?
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    Really, all 3 of the romances in F/SN are 'for want of a nail' kind of situations.
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    Parashurama one + the jobber curse of Lancers
    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
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    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    It was written down somewhere that Karna wouldnt be able to use Brahmastra against a foe who is stronger then him in a mat or somewhere. That is the Curse
    "Only in my company, will you not be a monster"


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    Karna takes it in pure skill, and he's got the firepower to come out ahead of Excalibur, but Artoria without Avalon (I don't remember, were we able to use Avalon in Extella Link?) was the Moon Cell's answer to all the big ol' monsters rumbling about. At one point the enemy has Iskander, Gil, Altera, Karna and a few other big honkin' powerhouses running about, and the Moon Cell's answer was to drop Artoria in the middle of it and then stand back smugly.

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    I dont...think she used it. think.
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    What's Karna got that can handle Excalibur?

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    i think his best option would be kundala to mitigate then still having his armor to deal with the rest. Kundala would lose to excalibur, but at least he wouldn't be hurt to bad. if he already had been suckered into using VS, or tried to counter excalibur with VS, he would probably end up in a pretty bad position.
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    K&K True Name Release can probably deal with Excalibur as well, considering it could hold off Godjuna's Maha Pralaya long enough to save Gudao and Shadow Border.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AAM1232 View Post
    K&K True Name Release can probably deal with Excalibur as well, considering it could hold off Godjuna's Maha Pralaya long enough to save Gudao and Shadow Border.
    I dunno. Excalibur has a history of cutting through super unbreakable armor.
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    I don't think Karna can outmatch Saber on skill alone. Not only is she also top-tier in that regard, I imagine Instinct + Invisible Air would overcome the gap.

    Also, when it comes to NP spamming, Rin!Saber or Avalon!Saber actually can use Excalibur at full power in quick succession.

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    I’m actually giving karna some significant respect in the form of assuming a much higher martial and magical assault over saber then I actually think he really warrants because in this case it really doesn’t matter. He doesn’t have a way around avalon.

    ask the 85’ bears. Sometimes the defense wins the game
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    Assuming both have equal Master support I don't see either of them trumping over the other outside of Karna running out of juice since he's a bigger mana hog. 90% damage reduction is no joke but at the same time neither is Saber's regeneration speed with Avalon.

    If Karna opted for VS then he'd be boned though.

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    Karna and Gawain melee'd for a bit in foxtail and there didn't seem to be any large skill gap. Apart from the A rank attack with B strength thing, does Karna have any other extreme skill feats?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceblade44 View Post
    It was written down somewhere that Karna wouldnt be able to use Brahmastra against a foe who is stronger then him in a mat or somewhere. That is the Curse
    Pretty good rendition of "you will forget the Brahmastra when you most need it".
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    Really, all 3 of the romances in F/SN are 'for want of a nail' kind of situations.
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    You mean because Shirou winds up falling for the first of the three that he Nailed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    I dunno. Excalibur has a history of cutting through super unbreakable armor.
    That's true but Karna's armor block something that not even classified as np anymore. Not to mention he still kinda "alive" after getting hit by Maha Pralaya. I'm pretty sure he can block Excalibur just fine

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackWatchar View Post
    That's true but Karna's armor block something that not even classified as np anymore. Not to mention he still kinda "alive" after getting hit by Maha Pralaya. I'm pretty sure he can block Excalibur just fine
    I don't know what the context was in Lostbelt 4, but I highly doubt that's something Karna can do in a regular Grail War.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lily Emilio View Post
    It's a Compulsory Exertion of it, w/e that means. By becoming the sun, the armor no longer protects just himself but becomes a barrier to block all damage in the area shown in the pic above. If it's 90% reduction then both him and the Shadow Border would've been blown into bits, because what they were facing is something beyond what you can describe as a NP.

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    It is a True Name release. He first used VS on Ashwatthama, then exchanged the spear to regain the armor back (goes from 3rd to 1st sprite, it seems to be his defensive form instead of what he normally looks like), then activate K&K with a chant.

    In the first place the Karna summoned in LB4 is on site, not from Chaldea, he has the armor on all the time.
    Don't think it's limited to LB4 going by the above posts

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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    It's a forced activation and turned him into light to protect the Shadow Border. Definitely not its normal effect.
    Incidentally

    That line finally got to be used since Karna "survived" and ended up in the trash heap.
    But then you have You's post saying its forced which seems to be implying something not normal but as I haven't read it I'm in no pos of declaring a fact about it.
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    Pretty sure he can do it in a normal HGW.

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    "For - I, the sun, am already here."
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    "I've heard about this. That's a defensive noble phantasm's... forced activation! But, even so, that's not going to..."
    Sounds like he can't come back from it though.
    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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