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    we know that raw stats do nothing against lancelot due to the gawain episode, and sigurd certainly doesn't hold as big of a stat advantage as gawain did
    really depends on how versatile the runes can get

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    It would be interesting to know Lance gets his hand on a piece of Gram. Will he be able to use it as a D rank NP separately, while Sigurd has the rest? Or will the control of Gram go to the person who has the larger piece of it?

    The best way for Lancelot to would be to use disarm Sigurd by surprise, maybe with the help of Knight of the Lake and Protection of the Spirit, and try to remove Gram from him. It seems very unlikely that Lancelot can catch Gram, if its thrown, considering that Saberlot does not have the increased stats of Zerkerlot, and Gram is an Anti Fortress NP used by a person specialised with it, whereas
    in the case of Gilgamesh, the weapons were shot out haphazardly. In a straight fight, Sigurd has the slight advantage in parameter, as well as Runes, while Lancelot seems to have more skill. If it came to NP vs NP, while Arondight Overload is good, it will lose to Gram, which as said, equals Excalibur. Overload also has the disadvantage of heavily taxing Lancelot.
    All in all, I think Sigurd wins 7 out of 10 times due to more firepower and versatility.

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    Runes shouldn't matter too much, given Lancelot has his own antimagic ring.
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    Doubtful Sigurd is that less skilled than Lancelot for the swordmastery to be a thing in determining victory. This is also ignoring his glasses, which represent his wisdom.

    Btw, his daggers are separate weapons, not pieces of Gram. Miwa labels them in the mats illustrations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddyak View Post
    Runes shouldn't matter too much, given Lancelot has his own antimagic ring.
    I mean it matters for Sigurd buffing himself. Beyond that his MR is also only B.

    Quote Originally Posted by CO9p5JMGv!p9 View Post
    we know that raw stats do nothing against lancelot due to the gawain episode, and sigurd certainly doesn't hold as big of a stat advantage as gawain did
    really depends on how versatile the runes can get
    You're making an assumption that Numeral of the Saint is parameters up. Honestly we don't know. Regardless it's very true that Sigurd has over double Lancelot's strength, and likely more efficency in magic energy use since he's a dragon.

    His own skill as a warrior, the versatility and support options of runes, plus the crystallized wisdom make me say Sigurd is stronger than Lancelot.

    Tbh the best part of Lancelot's kit is the fact that he can allocate a + bonus to any stat he wants but.. Really there's nothing that helps him get an edge over Sigurd. He doesn't really overcome Sigurd as a swordsman imo, he doesn't overcome Sigurd in trump cards, and he doesn't overcome Sigurd in stats or utility.

    In the end one man is stronger and also has the better toolkit.

    Knight of the Lake is still a bonkers skill and the main advantage to Saber Lancelot tbh.

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    Doesn't Lancelot also get Dragon Slayer bonuses?
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    Yeah, with Arondight

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    Hessian Lobo vs Sakata Kintoki

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    was it ever agreed upon whether arondight's stat bonuses were included in the sheets by default or not

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    Quote Originally Posted by AAM1232 View Post
    Hessian Lobo vs Sakata Kintoki
    The super strong mountain man big hero who wrestles bears probably wins pretty well.

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    Achilles vs. Cu Alter

    The original vs. the copycat's evil clone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menwearpink View Post
    The super strong mountain man big hero who wrestles bears probably wins pretty well.
    Kintoki would never hurt a dog

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reign View Post
    Kintoki would never hurt a dog
    True victory is trying to win a dog over like you’re Momotarou

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zork Knight View Post
    Achilles vs. Cu Alter

    The original vs. the copycat's evil clone
    Cu is more a recreation of Herkules' myth though.

    anyway, Cu. his thrown spear seems too OP for Achilles and you probably cant put him down with his armour and inherent resiliency and rune regen
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    It does mean that, but not literally.
    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    Literally none of this addresses my complaint. What we see in the story IS all there is of him. A footnote in a side material book saying "oh btw that's totally not his real self" is irrelevant to the way he's presented in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zork Knight View Post
    Achilles vs. Cu Alter

    The original vs. the copycat's evil clone
    Honestly if Achilles just start using his chariot + his comet form he could win this by out speeding Cu alter. Also I don't think Cu has an answer to Achilles cosmos

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    Achilles could just run him over with Cosmos + Comet Form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AAM1232 View Post
    Achilles could just run him over with Cosmos + Comet Form.
    Please Give an example of how much damage that would ammount to
    Quote Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart View Post
    It does mean that, but not literally.
    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    Literally none of this addresses my complaint. What we see in the story IS all there is of him. A footnote in a side material book saying "oh btw that's totally not his real self" is irrelevant to the way he's presented in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zork Knight View Post
    Achilles vs. Cu Alter

    The original vs. the copycat's evil clone
    Which Cú Alter? The Servant version, or the Grail-empowered one?
    My fanfics:
    The Gift (F/SN): The last duel between Cú Chulainn and Scáthach.
    Passion Acknowledged (F/SN): Shinji X Shirou lemon
    He Was a Good King (F/SN): Was Beowulf a good king?
    A Fairy Tale of Love and Death (F/SN): A meeting between Scáthach and King Hassan.
    Palingenetic Descension (Tsukihime): The origin of the Tohno family's hybrid nature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpoonyViking View Post
    Which Cú Alter? The Servant version, or the Grail-empowered one?
    I mean, you could respond to whichever. But I have a feeling a massive extra reservoir of energy would make things a tad unbalanced, specially when Achilles himself also burns through mana like a star

    Could give a Grail to both of them too to see who makes the best use out of the extra fuel
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    The Grail version didn't just have extra energy, though, he had abilities regular Cú Chulainn never had, such as a ranged version of the causality reversal attack.

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    Incidentally, if it's the Grail version of Cú Alter, I think he wins even if Achilles doesn't have mana issues.
    My fanfics:
    The Gift (F/SN): The last duel between Cú Chulainn and Scáthach.
    Passion Acknowledged (F/SN): Shinji X Shirou lemon
    He Was a Good King (F/SN): Was Beowulf a good king?
    A Fairy Tale of Love and Death (F/SN): A meeting between Scáthach and King Hassan.
    Palingenetic Descension (Tsukihime): The origin of the Tohno family's hybrid nature.

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