Badass Versus Thread

[fire_mountain_30]

When you have something worth saying that isn't vaguely sniping and acting like you know me, feel free to post it. Otherwise why bother posting arguments that ignore various circumstances to make it sound like you have a point?

lovely, so please address the following

"yeah, key point there buddy

"faster than everyone else"

A- by how much?

B- only at sprinting and in a straight line from what we know.


so besides that, please prove that he is faster than his chariot, which has been continuously and casually dodged (i see different takes in different places in regards to him being faster than his chariot or not)

also, please remember that Achilles took several attempts with that amazing speed of his to get into melee range when he was following him into the forrest. he couldnt overtake him while he was travelling to said forrest and several times did Chiron shift locations despite Achilles' pursuit and constant attempts at getting him"

[AAM1232]

lovely, so please address the following

"yeah, key point there buddy

"faster than everyone else"

A- by how much?

B- only at sprinting and in a straight line from what we know.


so besides that, please prove that he is faster than his chariot, which has been continuously and casually dodged (i see different takes in different places in regards to him being faster than his chariot or not)

also, please remember that Achilles took several attempts with that amazing speed of his to get into melee range when he was following him into the forrest. he couldnt overtake him while he was travelling to said forrest and several times did Chiron shift locations despite Achilles' pursuit and constant attempts at getting him"

A - Difficult to say, considering Cu Alter has no showings of speed unlike Achilles. It could be by a lot or not by much.

B - Are you saying that Achilles is incapable of dashing in a straight line with Kosmos up?

Prove that Cu is as fast as Troias Tragodia first though? What makes you think Cu Alter is capable of keeping up with a mount like that?

Which is supposed to mean something regarding Cu Alter? When you haven't shown anything about him regarding this topic? How utterly useless.

[fire_mountain_30]

A - Difficult to say, considering Cu Alter has no showings of speed unlike Achilles. It could be by a lot or not by much.

B - Are you saying that Achilles is incapable of dashing in a straight line with Kosmos up?

Prove that Cu is as fast as Troias Tragodia first though? What makes you think Cu Alter is capable of keeping up with a mount like that?

Which is supposed to mean something regarding Cu Alter? When you haven't shown anything about him regarding this topic? How utterly useless.

1- Cu Alter is literally as fast as Chiron going by stats

2- no mount NP has ever successfully hit anyone in a fair scenario, even when the mount was divine.

no Pegasus, not Gordius Wheel and not Achilles' chariot

[AAM1232]

1- Cu Alter is literally as fast as Chiron going by stats

2- no mount NP has ever successfully hit anyone in a fair scenario, even when the mount was divine.

no Pegasus, not Gordius Wheel and not Achilles' chariot

Cu Alter doesn't have Chiron's Skills that let him compete very well vs Achilles. I'm not sure why Cu Alter would do any better in this regard.

You could do more than just say stuff as if it's supposed to mean something. Maybe show and explain how other mount NPs hitting/not hitting their target in a "fair scenario" is applicable here?

This all still ignores how Kosmos can't be bypassed by Cu Alter at all.

[fire_mountain_30]

Cu Alter doesn't have Chiron's Skills that let him compete very well vs Achilles. I'm not sure why Cu Alter would do any better in this regard.

You could do more than just say stuff as if it's supposed to mean something. Maybe show and explain how other mount NPs hitting/not hitting their target in a "fair scenario" is applicable here?

This all still ignores how Kosmos can't be bypassed by Cu Alter at all.

you dont need any "skills" to compete with someone who is a regular melee fighter, not to mention that servants naturally have predictive abilities on account of their life experience (see Karna vs Gawain).

Plus Cu can nerf Achilles' speed.

ok, so let's lay down ground rules. is achilles faster than Medusa's Pegasus or his own chariot? yes or no? that information is necessary to evaluate how effective shield bashing will be.

"This all still ignores how Kosmos can't be bypassed by Cu Alter at all"

and you keep ignoring the big elephant in the room , which is BC + super healing via runes + OP full body armour

[Rafflesiac]

you dont need any "skills" to compete with someone who is a regular melee fighter

Emiya vs. Cu

[Zurvan]

oh god no why what have you begun

[Tobias]

Emiya vs. Cu

Arturia wins

[Zork Knight]

... But we all lose

[Byegod]

The fanfics win

[Menwearpink]

Agility isn’t speed.

or do you think Saber Alter moves slower than normal Saber by a massive margin?

[fire_mountain_30]

Emiya vs. Cu

ah yes, lets compare borderline top servants with reject dumpster fires. might as well be comparing Achilles to Frank by that logic.

any servant worth their salt doesnt need skills to compete with one another in melee. Lancelot didnt need it for Arturia, Diarmuid barely needed to use them, Cu didnt need any to fight Artoria, Karna didnt need any to fight Gawain, etc...

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Agility isn’t speed.

or do you think Saber Alter moves slower than normal Saber by a massive margin?

no, but i know for a fact that her reflexes and finess are shit

[Ronove]

Lancelot didnt need it for Arturia

Dragon slayer. Arondight. Nervous breakdown Seiba

Diarmuid barely needed to use them

Gae Dearg to bypass Saber's armor and trick her

Cu didnt need any to fight Artoria

Gae Bolg or otherwise he was getting his ass kicked.

Karna didnt need any to fight Gawain

Karna actually tried to slap on Kavacha skill. It got nullified by Leo...then Karna lost to Gawain.

[Zork Knight]

Pretty sure Instinct is a big deal for Artoria

[fire_mountain_30]

Dragon slayer. Arondight. Nervous breakdown Seiba

Gae Dearg to bypass Saber's armor and trick her

Gae Bolg or otherwise he was getting his ass kicked.

Karna actually tried to slap on Kavacha skill. It got nullified by Leo...then Karna lost to Gawain.

1- first fight. the one with the street lamp

2- fighting pretty well, with both spears sealed

3- command spell nerf and advantage from invisible air. she even told shirou later that she didnt think she could kill him if he went on the defensive.

4- and before that, they had a pretty even melee.

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Pretty sure Instinct is a big deal for Artoria

it isnt what lets her fight on par with other servants and most servants dont even need mana burst, so i barely count it as a skill for her because it only exists to make up for her strangely weak body.

jesus christ, even astolfo and angra are stronger than her without mana burst. explain that shit

[Menwearpink]

Ah yes two guys with a skill (or two) for I fight good. EAM and EOTM and Knight Tactics.


You’re not at all proving your point.

[Zork Knight]

Well, Knight Tactics didn't exist back in F/Z so I'm not sure where the gameplay ends and the lore begins...

[Rafflesiac]

Eye of the Mind True baiting known reckless dum-dum Artoria though.

[Menwearpink]

Well, Knight Tactics didn't exist back in F/Z so I'm not sure where the gameplay ends and the lore begins...

It’s a skill that has mechanics, an explanation and ect in the mats. It’s a bit retroactive but it works fine. It sets up precedent in new ways for certain ideas and things so I don’t see a reason to deny it.

[AAM1232]

you dont need any "skills" to compete with someone who is a regular melee fighter, not to mention that servants naturally have predictive abilities on account of their life experience (see Karna vs Gawain).

Plus Cu can nerf Achilles' speed.

ok, so let's lay down ground rules. is achilles faster than Medusa's Pegasus or his own chariot? yes or no? that information is necessary to evaluate how effective shield bashing will be.

"This all still ignores how Kosmos can't be bypassed by Cu Alter at all"

and you keep ignoring the big elephant in the room , which is BC + super healing via runes + OP full body armour

Being intentionally obtuse and ignoring Clairvoyance+EOTM's combo that helped out Chiron a lot is not helping at all.

I don't see why it wouldn't be? On the other hand why would he just not run at Cu with Comet Form+Kosmos?

And? Achilles has BC as well, and I'm not sure how helpful the others will be if you are just getting smashed over and over again.