Originally Posted by
Byegod
Since this is gil he would job and die to a total normal thing htat most people would dodge or survive
But in all seriousness dont most naruto character out stat most fate characters even at the most stupid interpretations like apocrypha anime
Late reply but................
Answer is a solid no. Naruto characters only outstat Fate characters if you cherry pick/highball Naruto feats while not operating on the same standards for Fate. For instance, the "lightspeed" feat Naruto himself has is no more valid than, say, Iskandar and Gilgamesh having the ability to dodge Excalibur. Shounen feats are largely examples of "a lie repeated becomes the truth."
Originally Posted by
Deathhappens
I'm fairly sure that by the final arcs everyone who was fighting in the ninja war gets scaled to massively supersonic (which is just one more of the reasons the manga became such a dumpster fire by the end). So yes, depending on which Fate we take as canon your basic ninja mook are on par with or even outspeed Servants.
And then there's the real laughable cases, like Madara.
The fodder speed is not quantifiable since we don't have a time frame. Any calc would be conjecture, because you'd have to "measure" the time through a long fight with a lot of dialogue. The maps you find online are fan-drawn as well, so they're be scaling a non-cannon map of distance with an unkown time. Arguments don't get more bullshit than that. On the subject of cannon feats, Zero has statements for servants that go anywhere from supersonic to sub-lightspeed. Strange/Fake scales A+ agility (in this case, just a bit over A-rank and not double) to lightning, and made it painfully obvious it was meant to be literal.
Basically, if anyone makes a crossover VS debates, a standard needs to be established. Do we take the best possible feats in each series and composite them, or do we go by consistency? It quickly devolves into nonsense otherwise.
Originally Posted by
Kabalisto Koga
Also About if Nin jutsu are either be something similar like spells or if especially the seishitsuenka jutsu like Kisame Trademark Suikodan no jutsu be something like "mini-astras" i say more the later one as im curious how it would be act ith the clash of a smal~medium sized Excaliber stream vs Kisames Suiton Daikodan no jutsu as it similar to Samahada absorb Chakra/respective Mana froom the opposing technique/attack .
Kisame, even by the most wild speculation, isn't close to planetary-scale destruction. Excalibur is planetary more often than not by statements. A small-medium Excalibur is just instant death for Kisame.
About Sandaime Raikage vs Herakless i meant lesser with God hando in min d more like that both would have quite similar physical power which would make the base for an Epic wrestle like power fight have i thought .
Well, that depends. Do you scale Heracles to Shirou's statements that he can take down a house or two with a single strike, which was a vast underestimation (his shock at seeing Herc's real abilities later on)? Do you use the statement that, against Salter, he used an attack that could destroy a mountain? Do you scale Herc to Gilgamesh, whom has mountain-busting blades according to Zero? Do you scale him as a stronger Alcides with his strength feats ranging from sending fragments of a hill up ridiculously high and is easily city-level? Most interpretations of Herc ends very badly for Raikage.
About Hinata can i agree with you but here must i admit that we saw in Boruto not much Action from the now parent Generation and im honestly quite dissapointed how the kage and especially Naruto and Sasuke are nerfed there i mean i understand that some of them can Train as excesive like before and i understand hat there the kiddies especially Boruto are much stronger as naruto co in their age , oh whopsie sorry i had o ne time to release some steam by this Chance do you see Boruto the anime ?
I wouldn't call a ransengan that sends an enemy into the atmosphere in a huge explosion a nerf. If anything, the adult versions of Naruto and Sasuke are the ones with truly ridiculous outlier feats.
to Comeback are the most shinobi in Terms of agilty i would say between C~B in servant Parameter . and Shikamaru is actually more Brains as Brawns and despite that he couldnt defeat self strenght wise defeat servnts like Arthoria or Emiya am i shure that he could come up with a plan as his strategic prowess would i say is comparable with those for Chen Gong or Zhuge Liang and if Shikimaru would be summoned as Servant can i see that he will be a Strategist type Caster with a noblephantasm that is based on the fullfilment of the " Shinobi Rengougen no jutsu" plan that his Father started so could i imagine that he may be stronger as it seems at first. think here how he defeated Hidan by Devising a plan to do so .
I'd say that, with the average feats, a fodder shinobi without using body flicker scales to an average magi. Kid Rock Lee is far faster than the average ninja and faster than Naruto in base.
Shikimaru can make good plans. That's it. Nothing measures up to Mind's Eye. The fact that it can counter speed so fast, that it's invisible to the user, and it allows a servant to make plans to win battles that otherwise has a success rate below 1% is in another league entirely. Shikimaru's intelligence doesn't mean he's developed tactics of that level.
and please tell me after youur oppinion if Chuchulain would use Gabolg against Kakuzu would it hit alll give hearts ,i wonder ?
One target, one heart. Not a problem when he has more uses under a less than ideal master than Kazuku has hearts.
exact as also i wnder how many Servants could do something if Madara shoots Meteor at them .
Anyone with an anti-army NP and that might not be needed. Consider the physicality of servants, and what is a missile relative to them.
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