I mean it’s always been Pokémon. Hell in the UBW route the level 100 god type was beaten by a level 30 faker type
I mean it’s always been Pokémon. Hell in the UBW route the level 100 god type was beaten by a level 30 faker type
Originally Posted by Bird of Hermes
Grands aren't on the same level but I always thought they should start from a baseline level above regular servants anyway, since their thing is being summoned on a much stronger container. Quirinus is kind of an outlier and Solomon and KH are haxxed, but since they all were supposedly big stuff as regular servants already, I can't imagine them being too far apart as general power before accounting for their specific quirks.
Especially since being comparable to a Grand is considered proper wanking for a Lostbelt King in game.
Herc with buffs from casters could also tank one hit from Artemis' NP though, which if I remember correctly was on par with Wodime's magecraft and Zeus' thunder. Being buffed by Skadi, Sitonai, Sigurd and Bryn should be at least as worth as being buffed by unanmed casters, and since he's a servant, Surtr's anti-life buffs weren't even applied in that scene. Skadi's snow was also countering the sword's heat, so I don't really see it as a poor showing for Surtr.
Mahapralaya is definitely better, but it needs a charge time to reach that level of power. Arjuna could use a less charged version to attack instantly but we have no idea how much of a nerf that would be, and Laevateinn scaling from Rhongo & Artemis is enough to at least make the fight close imho.
But it does speak a lot about its effectiveness in combat. Even if full power Mahapralaya is stronger, the charge-up required makes it nigh unusable in a straight fight against anyone that can penetrate Arjuna's defense.
"Implied threat" is a weird thing to say considering it already happened in the past, and that small space is all that's left of that worldline.
Mahapralaya was slowed down by K&K alone.
Orion shot down a gigantic orbital magic space mech god that was able to kill islands with a single shot. Not on the level of Rome Sends Her Regards taking out galaxy-killing supermech Zeus, but I'd put that on par with, if not higher than, playing one of a dozen roles in taking down dragonmum.
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KH will always stand out more because he was the first time we saw a Grand in action and his scene was super cool, but Orion shooting down an orbital space god cannon is definitely more impressive firepower-wise.
I mean this is still a guy in a vimana vs a giant on the ground, so I'm not seeing how Surtr gets much done, especially when he wasn't doing much in LB2 already, being beaten by the likes of Sigurd, Bryn, Napo and co.
He didn't do it in one go unlike Arjuna Alter, so it's all implications and hype.
Do you ever see Surtr's legs in-game? IIRC no, which means he's as tall as he needs to be.
I mean Orion can shoot down Artemis, and Quirinus matters a lot vs Zeus. I don't think what KH does is that impressive in terms of power compared to them.
Don't know why Artemis is being brought up here. And I'm wary of using that kind of scaling for Surtr's sword, when Mahapralaya only got slowed down in the end by K&K.
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Mats say he's 7m~1km+ tall.
Orion got various backup in the form of Achilles, Paris, and Hephaestus.
It's as much his power as Super Karna is Karna on the regular.
Why would riding on a Vimana save him from a nuke?
Sure, if you decide to ignore context.especially when he wasn't doing much in LB2 already, being beaten by the likes of Sigurd, Bryn, Napo and co.
A combination of Herc, a Lostbelt King, Valkyrie, Sitonia, Bryn, and Sigurd were needed to hold off Laevateinn for a short period. It was said that even if Mashu jumped in with Mord Camelot, it wouldn't change anything, and her power was enough to block Ivan's lightning. The only reason they don't die is because Napoleon destroys his saint graph to perform a miracle, because that's what he does.
Afterwards, Ophelia cuts off Surtr's contract, depriving him of mana. Then she boosts Sigurd with Sirius Light. In addition to that, Surtr gained Fafnir attributes, giving him the worst kind of compatibility with Gram. In the end, Sigurd and Bryn still die despite the additional buff from Skadi on top of it all.
Where's this stated?He didn't do it in one go unlike Arjuna Alter.
Last edited by Ronove; July 2nd, 2021 at 08:18 PM.
You're asking me why a mobile flying ship might be useful in evading an explosion/slash? Really?
Context doesn't do much to suggest Surtr has much of a chance, since it's basically rocket tag and Junao's the harder target to hit since he's smaller and flying.
His profile and the story? Where he doesn't instantly burn the planet and it's something he needs time to do?
That presumes Vimana is fast enough. Arjuna never actually uses it for combat.
In fact, his go-to strategy to pop Mahapralaya, which requires his full concentration to use, while he ignores incoming attacks.
Neither Surtr's profile nor the story ever says he needs time. The story mentions repeatedly that he only requires a single blow.
But if you've got the sources, by all means, post them.
If a flying ship is all you need to counter Surtr then I feel sorry for the norse pantheon lol.
I didn't bring her up as proof that Surtr > Arjuna but to show that Herc blocking Surtr's sword doesn't really matter too much in the grand scale of things, since the same happened to an NP on par with Kirschtaria's magecraft. Which is also consistent with Rhongomyniad surpassing that power and Surtr being comparable to it.
Didn't his regular arrows destroy pieces from Artemis even before his final shot? Altough it was with the bow made from Achilles' armor, I bet it was much closer to his regular power than the super-powered NP using Paris & Apollo as an arrow.
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A single blow for Scandinavia =/= a single blow for the planet, especially when we never end up seeing him pull it off and only get stuff like how Odin and co sealed him away after an epic battle that ruined everything.
Surtr was capable of wiping out Scandinavia before Fenrir. Skadi says this plainly.
He is 'only' capable of that much in the LB because...it's an LB. The texture is isolated by the storm walls. But with Paper Moon, it's speculated that he might be able to go beyond and reach "the outside". This doesn't just apply to Surtr either. Arjuna himself is only affecting India.
Vimana is a vehicles of Gods that makes Indian God capable to fly to outer space, and Arjuna literally bombarding us with Vimana, so yeah he use it when necessary.
He is not doesn't care about enemy attacks is just that he knows even if he didn't defend himself their attacks won't scratch him, for him it's just annoyance, check when Tell shot his NP at him.
Laevatein is stated to be comparable to Rhon, so no, he is not one-shotting the Planet.
Obligated. Tiamat VS cernunnos.
Tiamat, I think? but it's very difficult to say since we don't fight neither of them at their best.
Because you are too young. Or too stupid. Or both.
Someone beat me to it. Damn. Also, I think it's hard to tell because Tiamat reverted back to the Jurassic Era, right, and Cerny is just a walking corpse/curse factory powered by Baobhan Sidhe? An important question is if Cerny is affected by Chaos Tide and if Cerny's accumulated curses can injure Tiamat.
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Also, who would win? Melusine as Albion or Barghest?
Melubion is considered the strongest in the LB so her.
If Cenunnos is a zombie then does he count for Tiamat's immortality as long as something else lives
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