Badass Versus Thread

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Would Cu's Primal Runes be able to equal Melammu Dingir in firepower?

[SpoonyViking]

I seriously doubt it, but maybe he could use them to boost Wicker Man to withstand the artillery assault. Maybe.

[Altaris]

Caster Gil still have Ea btw

[Arashi_Leonhart]

"Activate Anti-Ishtar Measures, but reconfigure for dogs."

[BK201]

Arjuna vs Arthur

[Altaris]

Archer vs Saber (in HA) 2.0. Except this Archer is more jacked

[8000]

Would Cu's Primal Runes be able to equal Melammu Dingir in firepower?

Cu only has Primal Runes post strengthening quest so I don't think they're standard for him. Also the only Runes aside from Skadi that have shown to be on the level of a Noble Phantasm are Bryn's, but she destroys herself using them at high levels.

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Arjuna would beat Arthur unless all seals are unlocked.

[Tobias]

Well, the first answer is that saber theoretically wouldn’t have a command spell going for her

but if she isn’t defending shirou it doesn’t really matter

Archer vs saber really only goes one of two ways. Either he caches her off guard and manages to blast her with a full power broken phantasm in the first round of combat or she kills him.

[8000]

How would she win without the CS even if she isn't defending Shirou? She doesn't have a way to get to him.

Although this doesn't have any bearing on Arjuna vs Arthur unless they start 4 kilometers away.

[Peanut-007]

Archer vs Saber (in HA) 2.0. Except this Archer is more jacked

Archer loses because Archer is stronger the less Archer there is. Ten percent of Archer hits harder then Heracles and Archer as literally just an arm can beat Saber Alter. It's an advanced form of the inverse clothes-power relation FGO proves most servants have.

[SpoonyViking]

How would she win without the CS even if she isn't defending Shirou? She doesn't have a way to get to him.

Sure she does. The problem was getting to him while defending both herself and Shirou. If Shirou isn't there to be an easy target, she can just run up to him while blocking his arrows.

[Iceblade44]

Caster Gil still have Ea btw

I know, but that's irrelevant since that's not part of his class skill set. I am wondering how he fare if he fought solely as Caster and not pull from his Archer side. As of that, Ea isn't a part of how him as Caster fights. He has but he doesn't use it. If he did then that would just make him Archer Gil.- - - Updated - - -

No, because it's still Gil, and if it's vs Iskandar he's the mythical "Serious Gil".Sorry Iskandar. GG No Re, thanks for playing.

What makes serious Gil so dangerous is that he stops being a dick and pulls out Ea, which changes his fighting style with that as his main weapon. Caster Gil as himself isn't as strong as his OP self, I mean he was having trouble fighting Amakusa and Angra, tho that had to do with there very good team work then that they could overwhelm him they still was able to corner Gil quite considerably.- - - Updated - - -

I believe it'll fend off the army enough that the battle will turn in attrition. Because it's the entire gate with all the bells and whistles. IH will basically always lose a battle of attrition.

I guess yeah, but one point i want to make is that when entering the RM, Iskandar has full control on where the army and enemy appears. If Gil summoned the city before they went in he can very well just leave an attachment of his forces in the city, to massarce it from the inside out and stop the bombardment early. If it's later depending on where he had put Gil it could still be to close to the walls for the cannons to have it's best effect. Just something I wanted to point out.- - - Updated - - -

I think the conclusion was more inconclusive, but I'd personally have given it to the great big city-sized magic artillery, on account of while IH might be heroes, they don't have NPs and thus most of the army wouldn't have the MR or the agility or the sheer endurance needed to get through the artillery..

They don't have NPs because that is beyond Iskandar's abilties to give them it. Though anyway yeah the majority of the soldiers won't be paticualy that strong. They are all Servants tho with all the caveats of how hard to kill them.If it's Iskandar calvary brigade which was his speciality that would probably survive the bombardment. Thou if they really are starting far apart then Dingir can probably kill enough soldiers to stop the RM.Oh yeah what your talking MR? Dingir isn't a magic attack, but Broken Phantasm attack.- - - Updated - - -

He isn't though

He isn't restricted by anything, but by his own volition. Him as a Caster is him fighting as a Caster, if he just says he tired of it and goes back to blade spam he woudnt be him as Caster

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What makes you say that? Iskandar's MR is weak and Gil is still nuking with AoG beamus, even discounting the dingir. Clairvoyance also means Gil will know his moves ahead of time.

Iskandar's MR is weak, but his Bull's probably isn't. They utterly obliterated the Einzbern bounded field by just driving through it.

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that's just a reference to this



then it turns out to be a anti-world

Yeah, but his thoughts does reveal that he was prepared for anything, anything except what happened anyway. It does seem he had plans and countermeasures for Anti-Fortress and below anyhow

[fire_mountain_30]

Sigurd vs Ozy

At card games (pick some)

[Deathhappens]

Sigurd vs Ozy

At card games (pick some)

Sigurd has a mask and Ozzy can't keep a poker face to save his life. Only games I could see him winning are ones that don't rely on keeping your cards hidden (since I'm reasonably sure he has far better LCK than Sigurd.)

[Peanut-007]

Sigurd vs Ozy

At card games (pick some)

Sigurd seems like he'd be better at stuff like poker and blackjack. Ozy would bring it back with Yugioh though.

[eddyak]

How would she win without the CS even if she isn't defending Shirou? She doesn't have a way to get to him.

Although this doesn't have any bearing on Arjuna vs Arthur unless they start 4 kilometers away.

She advances. Shirou is pretty clear that if she weren't forced to defend him, she'd be able to chase him down, deflecting or destroying the shots as she goes.

Sigurd has a mask and Ozzy can't keep a poker face to save his life. Only games I could see him winning are ones that don't rely on keeping your cards hidden (since I'm reasonably sure he has far better LCK than Sigurd.)

Now I'm imagining him pulling that laugh every time he pulls a card. Hell, he's probably got some ridiculous luck stat, he'll get Royal Straight Flushes first try, every try.

[Deathhappens]

I was thinking Blackjack. Where he keeps hitting 21.every.single.time. After running out all the Aces and Jacks, of course.

[8000]

Sure she does. The problem was getting to him while defending both herself and Shirou. If Shirou isn't there to be an easy target, she can just run up to him while blocking his arrows.

They're four kilometers away, she's not blocking indefinitely when he has all the time in the world to charge his attacks. Also if she approaches he can just move to another rooftop.

[Peanut-007]

They're four kilometers away, she's not blocking indefinitely when he has all the time in the world to charge his attacks. Also if she approaches he can just move to another rooftop.

Four kilometers sounds like a big distance until you remember she runs as fast as a fighter jet. She just has to block a few shots while drawing that distance in the time Archer takes to prepare his arrows.

[forumghost]

They're four kilometers away, she's not blocking indefinitely when he has all the time in the world to charge his attacks. Also if she approaches he can just move to another rooftop.

She's not, but the thing is that in a situation where she didn't have to shield Shirou she has other options.

Shirou being there meant that Saber had to counter Archer's shots directly, which wore her down. If he hadn't been there, she'd probably have evaded shots, or just deflected them instead of having to destroy them immediately.

And once it comes down to a chase, Archer's gonna find himself in trouble. Saber is fast, much faster then him, and his best attacks require time to charge up. If he doesn't get her with the first few big shots, he's probably going to pull back and live to fight another day, because in a fair fight Saber (or any strong Servant) is gonna beat him every time (which is why Archer doesn't like to fight fair).