It's possible, and it will turn into endurance battle.Originally Posted by M@koto Kisaragi
It's possible, and it will turn into endurance battle.
Yeah, but with the EX rank Luck then Tametomo can take this, doesn't mention one of his skill grant you a guts ala battle continuation which will be bad for Siegfried
So endurance wise Tametomo has the edge
And Tametomo doesn't care about chivalry code so he can snipe the fuck out of his back
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Onto the next one (Karna vs Melusine will be sidelined atm) for Tametomo fight: Tametomo vs Artoria (without her avalon of course)
Unlike Siegfried, Artoria cannot use her beam as rapid projectiles, so she needs to close the distance quickly. With a CS, as seen in FHA, it's possible for her to do that, and next depends on how well can Tametomo fight in close quarter. She doesn't need to worry about a weakness, and with A-ranked Instinct, she can fight better.
Luck doesn't work like that tho, it doesn't makes you can snipe better than other people. It will only help you like when in a pinch or a skill and NP that required luck check.
Anyway, I don't see how Siegfried can't just ignore most of the arrow and just straight up murder Tametomo. In Traum, Tametomo's NP was compared to ICBM thanks to a buff from grail while Balmung can negate most of the damage from Brahmastra Kundala which is compared to nuclear warheads. All Siegfried have to do is protect his back then he's fine considering AoF can negate most attack.
Last edited by Bunhelier; October 5th, 2023 at 05:50 AM.
Yeah but thing is Tametomo is very agile as well and with one of his skill grant him a guts then just straight killed him isn't a best idea
Indomitable Bowmanship doesn't work like normal Indomitable or Battle Continuation, it's jus that if part of his body is broken then it can be repaired or replaced with another, it doesn't help at all when getting Balmung to the face.
Also both have B rank agility, Siegfried can keep up with Karna who is stated to be just a step slower than Achilles the fastest hero. Tametomo doesn't have a feats that highlight his agility.
About Karna and Melusine, I'd say Karna because of K&K, he doesn't need to worry much of Melu's attacks as Fae Knight, while Melu is fast enough to dodge most of his attacks in close quarter except Brahmastra. In her dragon form, Karna has to keep up with her speed while dealing with her dragon's breath.
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It's because in his appearances so far he's mostly fixed in one place, firing strong arrows at a distance. The Agility could really use some more explanation, if it's referring to his movement, or the speed of him nocking arrows.
Indomitable Bowmanship description is a bit vague but it still pretty vital to say
He doesn't have a feats that highlights his agility, sure, but it's still B rank mean he's still fast.......AlsoWhiteGlintCosplaymeansuperspeedatit 'sfinest
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So it's likely that the battle will ended up stalemate between the two? Mel might win if Karna sacrificed his armor but that thing has been retconned from what i remember
Exactly because he was designed to be unmoving Artillery, the fact that his NP has barrage and nuke version. Normal attack won't be a problem for Siegfried with AoF all he had to do is protecting his back, Balmung is still superior than Tametomo's NP, in fact Siegfried is superior to Tametomo in terms of strength, durability and NP, he also have agility feats of being able to keep up with Karna. So Tametomo only way to win is to successfully shot Siegfried's back which even the weakest servant could kill Siegfried if they successfully attack his only weak point.
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Indomitable Bowmansip doesn't grants Tametomo Extra durability nor help him survive a fatal attack like Battle Continuation, it literally just a repair function every robot has.
The fact that Siegfried can keep up with Karna wo have A rank agility shows how much of a meme that stats is, you need to back it up with feats to argue something about it.
Last edited by Bunhelier; October 5th, 2023 at 06:33 AM.
Eh, i feel like you didn't give Tametomo enough credit tbh, the battle between them is more closer than we thought on this scenario
It might look like being retconned due to how used we are to seeing him firing VS in FGO, but they're surprisingly keeping it consistent in other media. Like Extella where it's shown he manifested another armor after VS, but his defense becomes nonexistent, where attacks from a mook could turn his HP red quickly, or even kill him in higher difficulty.
I remember why it is retconned to me was back in LB4, Karna was able to grew his armor back and tanked Mahapralaya, but i could be wrong
Siegfried is just superior to Tametomo in almost every aspect, Tametomo is a strong servant for sure but just not on Siegfried level.
Who know, it's Japanese servant, they will wank them as they did with Indian servant lel
Also i very disagree on "superior to Tametomo in almost every aspect" and i honestly more trusting what Glory said on this scenario but it's the matter of our views in the end
We all knows indian servant got nerfed instead of getting wanked, and Siegfried superior to Tametomo is not an opinion but a fact after I did a comparison between the two feats and stats. I mean you can check it out and compare them yourself.
Oh yeah you're right, i just remember that despite they are so overpowered, most of Indian servants who did that were actually nerfed, which honestly still very impressive
As for the feats, if you mean Tametomo feats on Traum then Glory has brought that earlier and made a good point over it, and there is Bakin Event as well which might tell more, yes i know he got powered by the grail but still...
(Also i generally don't like peoples pull out "facts" on every arguments, sorry if this sound rude lel)
But in the end it's agree or disagree, we stand to what we thought is the best, doesn't mention that Tametomo only appeared twice, he still has more room to grow more and by the looks he already scream "high or top tier servant" but until then he might be not in the same level as Raikou and Siegfried
So yeah let's end it here lel
Well, you can't construct a strong argument without basing it on a fact but anyway, all Tametomo feats in game was him buffed by Grail so his real power would be weaker than what was shown in the story. So if we look at him based on profile alone Siegfried outclass him in almost every aspect which is something you would expect from saber, one of the strongest dragon slayer nonetheless. I don't mean to belittle Tametomo but yeah, he just haven't shown feats comparable to top class servant yet.
Anyway, still about Siegfried, this time i'll bring this: Siegfried vs Raikou, who will win?
I made that fight in VSBW back then and Raikou won in a good fight, so i wonder what's the thought of you guys here about this scenario
Last edited by M@koto Kisaragi; October 5th, 2023 at 01:10 PM.
I'm not sure how that fight supposedly went, I'd personally put the odds on Siegfried's side. Even with Raikou's skill and STR Siegfried's armor helps him immensely, while FGO Raiko's best chance is if one of her NP clones attacks the man's back. In a NP clash, Balmung being a sphere might get rid of the clones though, if it gets to that at any rate.
For Remnant Raikou... does her armor do anything there? Her NP at least seems more impressive to help her win, though I can't say I'm too familiar with the Ox.
It's more of a restraint than protection. Rider Raikou is essentially her Oni side becoming dominant. The floating pauldrons around it offer much better protection than the armor itself.
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