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    Hey, Mabinogion!Kay was a badass with magical powers!
    My fanfics:
    The Gift (F/SN): The last duel between Cú Chulainn and Scáthach.
    Passion Acknowledged (F/SN): Shinji X Shirou lemon
    He Was a Good King (F/SN): Was Beowulf a good king?
    A Fairy Tale of Love and Death (F/SN): A meeting between Scáthach and King Hassan.
    Palingenetic Descension (Tsukihime): The origin of the Tohno family's hybrid nature.

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    That just kinda proves my point though, if that story is canon to the Nasuverse - which given Twrch Trwyth's appearance in FGO would logically suggest, then Fate!Kay being one of the weaker KoRT means that the others should theoretically be capable of handling giants since Hergest!Kay has no trouble with them.

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    remember that even the strongest monster is nowadays just an NPC that any servant can kill

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    Gorgon is not some rando giant tho

    Age of Gods Goddess-Turned-Kaiju with petrification eyebeams and what else.

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    I know, I just wanted to chip in and refute the claim that "KoRT aren't monster slayers" is all.

    Carry on as you were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AAM1232 View Post
    Ashwatthama vs Sigurd
    Thoughts?

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    Do you have any details on his skills and NP?

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    Ash's, that is.
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    Ash is essentially Karna's level as a Heroic Spirit

    So it depends on how you rank Sigurd.

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    Well Sigurd's pretty much among the top of a pretty big culture sphere.

    His sheet backs it up too. It's hard to say without mats on Ash I'd say, but Sigurd's raw power, the obvious skill as a martial fighter, his utility with runes and also the giant boom of Gram make him pretty overwhelming. He's definitely within the top of Sabers.

    Seems like a hard fight for Ash.

    Incarnation of Rage doesn't seem like something like Bat Con persay or Avenger stuff but I imagine it keeps him going hard from start to finish. He's apparently more of a wild fighter than a Berserker combining his skills together, and I suppose the question is what does the ++s of his agility mean. Does it mean how he uses his weapon in his self-taught weird way? Does it mean that he reacts incredibly well in his rage or in trying to do dishonorable or unconventional reactions and actions with his violation skill?

    The Mani Gem might be some defense too but well.

    It's really just hard to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altaris View Post
    Ash is essentially Karna's level as a Heroic Spirit

    So it depends on how you rank Sigurd.
    Siegfried was noted to be equal to Karna in Apocrypha, and that Sieg even with that Galvanism didn't reach his level. Holmes notes that Sigurd is on Siegfried's level, so they all should be on the same tier with Ashwattma.

    Quote Originally Posted by AAM1232 View Post
    Thoughts?
    We haven't seem how his Crystallized Wisdom works, though he had that unique Going Through the Flames buff during the Surtr fight, probably a reference to his legend with Bryn, meaning he has flame resistance which should help against Ash. Their NPs are on the same rank and they have raw brute stats, though Ash can boost his further with his Warrior of Emperor turning similar to a Berserker. Sigurd has those weird Primordial Runes, though we don't know if he can do feats similar to Cu's Runes like the boost field or stuff.

    I feel like if they go melee and Ash goes all-out straight away he'd win. If Sigurd gets time to use runes or stall the fight, he'd win due to his mana efficiency.

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    so for Ivan, i recall that during the fight that Anastasia's causality control NP didnt work on him initially and Musashi didnt seem to waste her strike until his defenses were down.
    does any other Lostbelt King have a similar level of anti-hax defense?
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    It does mean that, but not literally.
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    Literally none of this addresses my complaint. What we see in the story IS all there is of him. A footnote in a side material book saying "oh btw that's totally not his real self" is irrelevant to the way he's presented in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fire_mountain_30 View Post
    so for Ivan, i recall that during the fight that Anastasia's causality control NP didnt work on him initially and Musashi didnt seem to waste her strike until his defenses were down.
    does any other Lostbelt King have a similar level of anti-hax defense?
    Arjuna Alter had enough Mystery to have NPs like Brahmastra bounce off him like they were nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fire_mountain_30 View Post
    so for Ivan, i recall that during the fight that Anastasia's causality control NP didnt work on him initially and Musashi didnt seem to waste her strike until his defenses were down.
    does any other Lostbelt King have a similar level of anti-hax defense?
    Arjuna couldn't be touched by NPs like VS due to massive divinity.
    Surtr was immune to Noble phantasms up to a certain, unspecified rank, then converted the would-be damage to mana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronove View Post
    Arjuna couldn't be touched by NPs like VS due to massive divinity.
    Surtr was immune to Noble phantasms up to a certain, unspecified rank, then converted the would-be damage to mana.
    Yeah but all of those are anti-raw power, not anti-hax
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    It does mean that, but not literally.
    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    Literally none of this addresses my complaint. What we see in the story IS all there is of him. A footnote in a side material book saying "oh btw that's totally not his real self" is irrelevant to the way he's presented in the game.

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    NPs aren't all raw power and there's no reason to suggest that anything hax would have worked on Arjuna Alter or Surtr.

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