Does Altjuna take 20 minutes to gather the mp for Mahapralaya or for doing Mahapralaya's taxes. (calculating the new and improved, definitely without evil this time world)
Does Altjuna take 20 minutes to gather the mp for Mahapralaya or for doing Mahapralaya's taxes. (calculating the new and improved, definitely without evil this time world)
That's nice, but it doesn't really help to hype up Surtr when he's supposed to be on a different level to them from the start. Especially when he has his own nifty powers and compatibility.Originally Posted by SpoonyViking
Pick your poison. Either Heracles did his hero thing or was saved by a number of circumstances. None of it devalues Surtr
Everything being just swinging his sword down? What's Arjuna got that can stop that?And this is all assuming Surtr does everything while Arjuna just AFKs close to him. I mean even compatibility doesn't do that.
It's to gather the magic power, but more accurately, to fuse and condense all his authorities
Arjuna's calculations take place in a nexus after the world has been destroyed, where he decides what to bring back.Meanwhile, the apathetic god remains in place, focusing on the great mass of energy converging in his palms.God Arjuna:
................
...It has been reached.
The extraction, condensation, and procession...of the combined divine power...of all divinities...is complete. The execution of control is...the tenth...
.........
Beginning...preparations for deployment.
You mean the nifty powers that were practically all useless once he was left a masterless husk? It's not like his over dependence on Ophelia's eye and the fantasy tree was what the entire group exploited or anything. Not sure why you're so bent on ignoring the narrative here.
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Arjuna has his Vimana? Or his attacks? He's not a statue. I mean Surtr wank is nice but pointless when he does nothing with it.
Arjuna does not dodge attacks because he is absolutely confident in his super composite divinity to defend against whatever hits him. He never evades anything until it was nerfed by lack of faith. Running away on Vimana won't do much good when Surtr just decides to incinerate the world. Arjuna will just burn along with it.
And what "attacks"? He showed nothing amazing outside his NP. Which he always opted for right off the bat.
Last edited by Ronove; August 14th, 2020 at 09:54 PM.
So just imagination. Great argument I guess.
Nah, it's just reading the story and knowing what the characters actually do in neutral scenarios. Incidentally, for both cases, that happens to be "go straight for the nuke button" because they do not give a damn about individual opposition, only their global agenda
(Fuck evil. All of it.) (Fuck all of you for not being on fire)
All I have to say on topic, and it's pretty clear you never had anything at all, considering your only arguments have been to ignore context, the story and then just downplay whatever you don't like to wank what you do like.
I mean you're saying Surtr burns the world instantly, something never seen or stated in the story or mats, harping on a charge time for Arjuna as if it matters when he's not going to be close enough for it to matter, and straight up ignoring Surtr's weak showings that suggest Arjuna has more than enough to beat him. Imagination is a pretty apt description for your arguments tbh.
He also spends most of the fight nerfed on some level, either because he was still recovering his full power after just being released from Sigurd's body, or because Ophelia had completely cut him off - which is a huge nerf to a Servant, which is what he basically was at that point.
Again, not saying he beats God Arjuna, but you may be selling him a bit short.
He goes to swing his sword and gets blocked for a while, enough for Napoleon to give a speech and break his face. That's some very impressive destructive power, compared to Mahapralaya which blasts past Kavach with ease and is said to be beyond a NP in Godjuna's hands. Not to mention Surtr doesn't have a great way of reaching Arjuna or avoiding/tanking it.
See, you're underselling him. He's blocked by a collection of deities pouring all their magic into stopping him, while Napoleon, for his part, gathers all the power which should have gone onto a bunch of Servants and blasts into his face - which started regenerating almost immediately.
All the "black" teams from Apocrypha (Gordes/Siegrfried, Darnic/Vlad, Fiore/Chiron, Celenike/Astolfo, Roche/Avicebron, Reika/Jack, and Caules/Fran) fight each other in a conventional HGW. Who wins? You can move the setting from Romania to Japan if you think it'll make the war more interesting.
Honestly, either Darnic/Vlad or Gordes/Siegfried. The others don't really have the gimmicks or power to match them.
Chiron snipes them each night.
the "only once per night" restriction still seems like the dumbest, most arbitrary NP restriction that I have seen yet.
do any other servants that have come out have had NPs that were this BS levels of restrictive?
Hideyoshi's NP will make him OP in 7 days.
Doesn't Proto Gil's super attack take seven days to charge up?
(And speaking of Prototype, all the restraints on Excalibur are pretty restrictive.)
those are insanely powerful rank EX NPs with a decent basis on the legends that they are taken from
the constellation 1 per night constraint is completely arbitrary and needless for such a relatively weak NP.
the fair restraint would have been that it could only be used at night, not once per night
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also, prototype feels like it was made with a very particular mindset in mind that Nasy dropped as soon as of the official FSN release
There are way too many variables to account for every possible result (for instance, it's feasible that Jack could take out the female Masters and Fran), but if it's a traditional HGW, I imagine Roche and Avicebron are screwed (Roche can provide good materials, but Avicebron's golems wouldn't be as efficient without prep time, and he wouldn't have Adam), Celenike and Astolfo aren't too far behind (now there's a dysfunctional pair!), and even Siegfried would be in trouble because Gordes would almost certainly make a stupid mistake at some point and ruin their chances.
Overall, I'd say the Darnic / Vlad and Fiore / Chiron duos have the best shot at winning - though Vlad would probably be greatly held back by not having the time to prepare his territory - simply because the Servants are not only strong, but the Masters are also strong magi AND smart, too. Darnic probably has an edge in that he's more ruthless, but Fiore has a better affinity with her Servant, and I imagine Caules / Fran would basically act as her support team.
Siegfried is extremely overwhelming in comparison to the others, but if one learns his identity then his back can be a nasty weakness for some of them to target.
if astolfo had a better master in terms of fuel and compatibility and it was a once in a blue moon serious Astolfo then he could do pretty well too.
In this set up are we assuming Vlad gets to start with set up so he can actually use his NP or is he and Darnic hiding for like a week desperately trying to build their leyline claim before they just get beat up?
if he just turtles on a leyline Avicebron could probably meme him and mess with the land as a Caster honestly. Or you know they sit around and either get beaten up by a team who doesn’t like the turtling or they survive by just being the medea of the war except without any further ability to get stronger.
Honestly they’re the worst choice to bet on I feel. Not allowing them the unfair advantage of a lot of prep time makes them effectively useless.
Avicebron could do well if one considers his capabilities from FGO too. Although we need to question his budget in this scenario.
Chiron does some good fights. Probably the best candidate for managing to kill Siegfried but...
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