Badass Versus Thread

[GundamFSN]

If we're going to start calling every Servant that's ever lost to Emiya unimpressive that's gonna be a problem

GIl is unimpressive because Emiya (both of them technically) won against him. Prove me wong.

[castor212]

On screen, yes. Either there were more shots that we didn't see, or that one shot was actually enough to make her realize she couldn't win without risking an energy consuming attack.

The game said that shot was the emiya's first shot that ever landed.

He could've just waited till the flames stopped then killed her while she was helpless. He had her dead to rights.

And how is this Emiya whopping Jealter?

Honestly this doesn't matter much. Point is she had to run. If you have to run it's a loss.

This matter because you are downplaying her, making as if Jealter cannot even survive without Edmond, when the fact is Edmond wasnt even there

Because she did no damage to Lobo and got mauled for her efforts.

But she did. Like, in the story. She did quite the damage.

No offense, but did you actually read the story?

they both had her rather helpless

but she wasnt

Losing to Demiya on the other hand is pretty unimpressive

The story makes it p clear that its the guns that made Jealter has that much of a problem
And strength is more than just parameters. Demiya defeats plenty of Servants back in CCC event.

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if you want to call it technically a loss, sure, be my guest

but dont use those unclear decision battle to underplay the shit and damages that she did

[Lily Emilio]

GIl is unimpressive because Emiya (both of them technically) won against him. Prove me wong.

Casgil and Ishtar are also both trash servants cuz Olga beat them easily with Mephisto and Demiya!

[8000]

The game said that shot was the emiya's first shot that ever landed.

Assuming he didn't land any shots after that, I suppose it was just a very powerful shot. Or he damaged her some other way beforehand. Either way it was enough to make her risk dying just to get him away.

And how is this Emiya whopping Jealter?

He took no apparent damage while forcing her to use an ineffective move that left her defenseless. He had her beat pretty badly from where I'm standing.

This matter because you are downplaying her, making as if Jealter cannot even survive without Edmond, when the fact is Edmond wasnt even there

It doesn't matter how she escaped. If she had to escape it's a loss.

But she did. Like, in the story. She did quite the damage.

No offense, but did you actually read the story?

Yes I did. I can't pick up all the specific details without knowing Japanese but I understand the gist of what happened. If she did any damage it wasn't anything meaningful and Lobo was completely fine shortly afterwards.

but she wasnt

She was defenseless after fighting Demiya and barely survived Lobo. That's pretty helpless.

The story makes it p clear that its the guns that made Jealter has that much of a problem

Guns are just projectile weapons and not some exceptional edge among Servants. Most Archers fire arrows faster than bullets.

And strength is more than just parameters. Demiya defeats plenty of Servants back in CCC event.

Strength is more than parameters but he didn't even seem to be using any particular abilities, he was just shooting at her and maybe they went melee at some point. Who does Demiya beat in CCC?

if you want to call it technically a loss, sure, be my guest

but dont use those unclear decision battle to underplay the shit and damages that she did

I don't even think it's "technically" a loss, I think it just straight up is a loss if you're forced to flee. Demiya did flee, but unlike Jalter it wasn't because he was in danger of losing.

[castor212]

It doesn't matter how she escaped. If she had to escape it's a loss.

This matter because you are downplaying her

and made misleading statement

If she did any damage it wasn't anything meaningful and Lobo was completely fine shortly afterwards.

just like he was fine after several times we damaged him

She was defenseless after fighting Demiya and barely survived Lobo.

during the fight she gave as much as she got, made Demiya at least retreat because he would eat a literal fire if he doesnt, and fries Lobo's inside
she sure aint helpless or got "whopped"

Guns are just projectile weapons and not some exceptional edge among Servants. Most Archers fire arrows faster than bullets.

Those are guns are NPs, not just any guns.
No offense, but did you actually read the story enough to be able to nipick stuffs to back your argument?

I don't even think it's "technically" a loss, I think it just straight up is a loss if you're forced to flee. Demiya did flee, but unlike Jalter it wasn't because he was in danger of losing.

sure

but dont use those unclear decision battle to underplay the shit and damages that she did

[Mcjon01]

But you see she got spanked, I can tell from the tachie and having seen quite a few tachie in my day

[castor212]

whats a tachie or am i better not knowing what that is

[Mcjon01]

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[castor212]

im afraid im too low leveled to understand the joke/reference

sumanai

[Mcjon01]

im afraid im too low leveled to understand the joke/reference

sumanai

90% of the time someone says they can't read a VN but they understand the gist of what happened they're just divining plot from tachie movements and facial expressions

[8000]

Eh, we're at a bit of an impasse. I'll just say I don't think Jalter would beat Salter based on limited info for Jalter and her lack of wins against Servants.

[castor212]

90% of the time someone says they can't read a VN but they understand the gist of what happened they're just divining plot from tachie movements and facial expressions

i have to confess, when you said spanked i thought you meant spanked in the other direction

[Mcjon01]

Well of course Salter has the power of Christmas on her side, a naughty child like Jalter could never win in the first place

[castor212]

Eh, we're at a bit of an impasse. I'll just say I don't think Jalter would beat Salter based on limited info for Jalter and her lack of wins against Servants.

sure

but dont use those unclear decision battle to underplay the shit and damages that she did

[8000]

Well of course Salter has the power of Christmas on her side, a naughty child like Jalter could never win in the first place

Jalter Lily on the other hand...

[Iceblade44]

Just thinking of throwing it out there but for a VS for Jalter it's probably best to clear up one thing, does she have her Dragon minions or no? Jalters nature as a Dragon Witch is one of her greatest strengths and was why she was such a threat in Orleans and no so much in Shinjuku.

[Tepanyakigo]

Technically SAlter with Dragon Core is a dragon though... This is interesting... Does that mean SAlter have conceptual disadvantage?

Also, it never ceases to amaze me how our discussion derailed into DEmiya vs Jalter

[AvengerEmiya]

Just thinking of throwing it out there but for a VS for Jalter it's probably best to clear up one thing, does she have her Dragon minions or no? Jalters nature as a Dragon Witch is one of her greatest strengths and was why she was such a threat in Orleans and no so much in Shinjuku.

I always assumed that was just another Lion King/Goddes Trio thing where the Servant is way stronger in the chapter than they are when Ritsuka summons them because of various circumstances.

[Iceblade44]

Yes, but the circumstances for Jalter in Shinjuku was she didn't have dragons, Orleans did. Other than that she's pretty much the same except for class.

[AvengerEmiya]

So that ability is completely useless outside of singularities that have dragons in them?

How lame.