Badass Versus Thread

[AAM1232]

In Apo it was revealed that incarnated servants get dropped to human level, if we take Amakusa at his word

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What are you doing again?

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She can do something similar via extremely lucid future simulations

Watching you try to handcraft a winning scenario out of nothing (vaguely defined abilities and strange assumptions with no proof)?

[fire_mountain_30]

Except i am not

I am just saying that she is probably not gonna get insta killed

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Watching you try to handcraft a winning scenario out of nothing (vaguely defined abilities and strange assumptions with no proof)?

>vaguely defined abilities

-" Gil can totally counter her with an item we have never seen guys!"

> strange assumptions

- "GoB weapons are totally too fast for her and way faster than any projectile she has ever been shot with guys "

> no proof

- "Gil can totally beat a true magic (the think the HGW was meant to achieve in the 1st place )user with an item that he must have somewhere in his vault guys!"

[Reign]

-" Gil can totally counter her with an item we have never seen guys!"

I mean that's his entire gimmick.

[Mcjon01]

He’s got anti second magic items in his vault so I don’t see why he wouldn’t have an anti fifth in there somewhere too

[AAM1232]

Except i am not

I am just saying that she is probably not gonna get insta killed

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>vaguely defined abilities

-" Gil can totally counter her with an item we have never seen guys!"

> strange assumptions

- "GoB weapons are totally too fast for her and way faster than any projectile she has ever been shot with guys "

> no proof

- "Gil can totally beat a true magic (the think the HGW was meant to achieve in the 1st place )user with an item that he must have somewhere in his vault guys!"

"Aoko is fast enough to totally counter GoB"

"5th Magic too stronk for puny Gil"

Two incredibly dumb and baseless assumptions don't make a coherent argument. And so far you've done a good job of either refusing to acknowledge counterarguments or refusing provide relevant proof, instead making leaps of logic to show how Aoko will totally win.

[Mcjon01]

What the fifth magic even is would be a more interesting discussion
All the time stuff is apparently just a side effect since anything having to do with time is already covered by the second and you can’t get magic with the same path twice, and in an interview Nasu said its true nature is hidden in Mahoyo’s theme of “progressing civilization” and the reason Aoko was chosen is because she represents consumer culture

[You]

What the fifth magic even is would be a more interesting discussion
All the time stuff is apparently just a side effect since anything having to do with time is already covered by the second and you can’t get magic with the same path twice, and in an interview Nasu said its true nature is hidden in Mahoyo’s theme of “progressing civilization” and the reason Aoko was chosen is because she represents consumer culture

My guess is that Blue is the conversion of anything into a universal resource that can be then be paid to produce any result (progress in any direction).
Thereby, any cause can produce any effect.

[Deathhappens]

Wouldn't that step on the toes of ALL the other Magic instead?

[You]

Wouldn't that step on the toes of ALL the other Magic instead?

I mean the 5th already steps on the toes of the 2nd as a side effect.
The 2nd can get to you a world where the 3rd is just magecraft.
Magic footsies anyone?

[Renko]

I just saw this on Reddit today:

https://old.reddit.com/r/grandorder/...iya_and_heres/

Interesting.

Does EMIYA even have a chance against Jason?

Also, what is this about him being called a "Jobber" for the Counter Force?

[falseCeilings]

I really hope for a non-joke Jason in some future Fate franchise. An actual archer Herc as well.

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In Apo it was revealed that incarnated servants get dropped to human level, if we take Amakusa at his word

Is this a thing? It explains somewhat the ending of UBW.

[Tobias]

I kinda feel like it’s not seeing as how human level doesn’t even really mean anything. Servants were usually stronger when they were humans anyway

[Rafflesiac]

Master Shirou Kotomine runs 60 mph and keeps up with Frankenstein

[forumghost]

Master Shirou Kotomine runs 60 mph and keeps up with Frankenstein

That's not really impressive by Servant Standards though- Old, Out of Shape Kirei could do that while carrying a Loli Bridal-Style.

[castor212]

out of shape kirei would still kick my in-shape ass

[Deathhappens]

King Hassan vs Vlad the Impaler (Lancer version) on religious discourse

Which one gives up on civil discourse and declares holy war first?

[SpoonyViking]

Vlad, probably. He does have a skill to represent madness caused by religious fervor.
Or, wait, do you mean the Apocrypha version? In that case, I don't think either of them will go for a fight.

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out of shape kirei would still kick my in-shape ass

Pfft. That's nothing. I'm pretty sure Ilya could take me in a fight.

[Rafflesiac]

That's not really impressive by Servant Standards though- Old, Out of Shape Kirei could do that while carrying a Loli Bridal-Style.

Kirei only runs 45 actually; I explicitly recall Shirou being faster than him.

[Tobias]

Vlad, probably. He does have a skill to represent madness caused by religious fervor.
Or, wait, do you mean the Apocrypha version? In that case, I don't think either of them will go for a fight.

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Pfft. That's nothing. I'm pretty sure Ilya could take me in a fight.

i mean

ilya would probably kick kirei’s ass though, that’s not really a step down. At minimum she is stronger but maybe he could eke out a win by being a magus hunter. Maybe.

[SpoonyViking]

I meant without using magic.

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Don't overthink the joke, Tobias. :-)