"Big maybe". lmao.Originally Posted by Clown
No way can Ciel block attacks by an unrestrained Arc using energy from the earth's rotation if she hadn't gotten a massive power boost.
That's beyond retarded. Come on man.
Angra Mainyu is stated to be one of the best at killing humans so that's not saying much. We don't know what his capabilities are. I doubt it's a matter of power.
The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.
Tsukihime 2 Prelude III
six billion humans vs six billion curses the pay per view event you've been waiting for.
Now Gil is right that humanity should be able to withstand and hold up to its evils and that failing at that is pathertic. Now its still unreasonable to say random person off the street should be dunked in angra mud.
I'm not sure if the statement still holds true given it was kind of old. Was it, what, from 2013?
The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.
Tsukihime 2 Prelude III
By Nasu's own admission each of Merem's arms (except one) is equal to a servant. PM is equivalent to 7 grands in strength. Dead apostles are about as close to a "primate" as a servant is, neither are really human and servants are still weak against PM. Its much more likely Alto just didn't bring PM along for the trip (its not like she has her bodyguards around her all the time).
The only thing we know about that attack is it has enough energy to destroy a single building. Not too impressive a feat to block it.
I'm referring to Nasu's statement on how if Angra Mainyu incarnated then it would drown half the world in mud before a Grand is summoned to take care of it.
Last edited by Clown; August 19th, 2022 at 09:25 PM.
I think he means it's obvious form when it's in the Grail, not as a Servant.
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Well yeah but again, that's also what the Throne of Heroes is for and we have seen in later versions, Artoria can handle being dunked in there as long as she does everything possible to not get fully submerged and Heracles can also fight it for similar reasons.
Stop your bullshit downplay dude. It cut through the city and it was energy from the earth's rotation, it's at minimum continent-level in destructive capacity.
The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.
Tsukihime 2 Prelude III
It cut through 400 meters of empty road and was an unspecified amount of energy from Earth's rotation. You're going to need feats if you want to claim it can blow up continents.
The mere fact Arc was slightly more serious at that point already puts it on that category. She could have borrowed literally any amount of energy from the planet she wanted at that point.
The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.
Tsukihime 2 Prelude III
no lol she can only pull any amount of energy she wants if she was in her inflated form, she's still 30% Arc.
Having humans delegate the effort to human stories isn't actually confronting their evils or withstanding them, not really no.
Also heroes who exceed the limits of humans and have big LCK stats can resist curses.
What a novel concept.
Herc can wade through it since he has a curse that rejects it mind.
I'm going to go with Dartz on this as I'm not a fan of downplay on any level, we don't need the destruction of something to fit the same deal or Servants and even Beasts would be nowhere near the powerlevel they are stated in canon.
This is the same crap with Lostbelt Artemis all over again in differing forums because "Even though the story and everyone states she can tear through Planets, she can only destroy Islands because that's what's shown".
Nvrsqr's Imitation of the Grail Mud, the Primordial Sea, requires being able to destroy a Continent for any of it and Nasu all but stated Artoria can destroy that.
The Actual Primordial Sea/Grail Mud is all but stated to require needing AAS-level power to even destroy it and even in Kagetsu Tohya, it was heavily implied you would need to destroy the World itself to do so... and Artoria destroyed that(As well as Quetzalcoatl burned that).
Hell, Rin's Jeweled Sword Zelretch destroyed it in Heaven's Feel III and Calvaro Star is stated to be Excalibur level so it can do that too.
You can say I'm "going too far" but I'm honestly not and I can go and actually back all of that up so yeah, Dartz has a point or else we might as well pretend Goetia's AAS can't blow straight through the Planet or isn't the size of North America when it clearly is.
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Uh, that's been the case with all of the Evils of Humanity thus far and the entire existence of Grand Servants vs. Beasts as in a technical sense, the Throne of Heroes IS connected to Alaya and thus the Human Order.
So yes, Humanity IS dealing with the Beasts even if say Ritsuka or Mash isn't killing the Beasts personally.
As far as weaponizing nature interference that's as high as it's going to get.
The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.
Tsukihime 2 Prelude III
Its one thing to claim that an attack can tear through a planet because its stated to be able to tear through a planet, its something else entirely to claim an attack can destroy a continent even though all that's stated is that a building would be destroyed by the attack from an unspecified amount of energy. Considering Arc's first instinct upon seeing CS (which is at most equivalent to Excalibur) was to run away from it and not to block it, seems to imply this attack is nowhere near continent level.
IIRC her MP only downgrades in the amount of things she can imagine while inflated, not the quality of what she can imagine.
Last edited by Clown; August 19th, 2022 at 09:58 PM.
Like I said before, if it's supposed to be equal to Excalibur(even it's sealed state), then that means it would have to be minimum Continental because Excalibur is absolute BS on every level and was always pushed to that level, even if the actual damage or what the author stated doesn't jive(which again, is something that fiction in general constantly falls into, including Fate).
For example, Lord El-Melloi Case Files stated a Sealed Rhongomyniad that Grey has is equal to an attack by a Divine Spirit and that's proven when even a Pseudo Servant like Astraea can't even beat it with her Noble Phantasm and it gets completely overwhelmed in their collab Event. We don't suddenly pretend it somehow only scales to Stheno and Euryale because "Divine Spirit attack can mean anything" in the same fashion we don't do the same for something equaling Excalibur only able to just destroy a building.
If 30%+ Arcueid couldn't even defend against it and tried to run? That kinda goes it against it just being a Building Busting attack on every scale.
It's completely retarded to claim pulling energy from the earth's rotation is building level. Especially when Arc already destroyed a building earlier in Ciel's route and she also destroyed a city-level spell at a point where she wasn't using a fraction of the energy she was wielding when dealing with Ciel.
The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.
Tsukihime 2 Prelude III
I mean ok if you use that logic Arc is Continent level but then so is every servant and individuals of comparable power out there which makes it kind of a moot point when discussing power levels between the two.
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Alright, Arc is continent level, but so is everyone else now too since Arc couldn't block CS and its compared to Excalibur.
How many Servants out there can block Excalibur? You can probably count them on one hand.
Most of them wouldn't even survive being hit by it, let alone blocking it.
The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.
Tsukihime 2 Prelude III
And how would that be wrong? Nasu outright stated even having 2 Servants against a 30% Arcueid would be a potential losing battle for her which kinda shows she would have problems even then despite her absurd strength?
And again, Fergus threatened the entire American Singularity with Caladbolg and that is the entire United States map and he isn't stronger than Artoria Pendragon or even other super strong Servants either so yeah? It wouldn't really devalue anything to be honest.
The die was officially cast when the Heaven's Feel III Movie actually had Sakura dunk Rin in Grail Mud in their confrontation and she vaped it all with the Jeweled Sword Zelretch... need I remind you this was well after Babylonia where Kingu confirmed that any type of Grail Mud is in fact Tiamat's Primordial Sea which even the imitation that Nvrsqr tried to make for it required being able to destroy a Continent to even get rid of any of it(Arcueid couldn't even get her hands free from a small portion) and Kagetsu Tohya said the "True Chaos" referring to that requires being able to destroy the World to do so.
It sounds ridiculous but honestly, it's no more ridiculous than anything from DBZ or One Punch Man or recent shonen at this point.
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Depends on the version of Excalibur to be honest. Is it Sealed? Unsealed? Full Power? Sealed we have had canonically Ea and Dendera Lightbulb and maybe hypothetically, something like Akhellius Kosmos(though it would be destroyed in the process), Lord Camelot and Vasavi Shakti. There's also AAS but canonically, Solomon would never use it so...
There aren't many that can equal Excalibur 1:1, but following Nasu's rules on parameters (i.e. A++ = 150, A = 50) there are apparently many with noble phantasms at least half or a third of Excalibur's power (Rho Aias and Bellephron together can beat Excalibur for example), so many servants should be half or a third of a continent in terms of firepower and thus about continent level.
Nothing really comes anywhere close to doing great damage, or destroying a planet.
Categories are a category of what it deals with and targets. Depending on what anti-planet actually means it might even mean that something as simple as a rod of god might be anti-planet, because you're shooting something down at a planet.
That said
Of course you're assuming that it scales completely linearly.There aren't many that can equal Excalibur 1:1, but following Nasu's rules on parameters (i.e. A++ = 150, A = 50) there are apparently many with noble phantasms at least half or a third of Excalibur's power (Rho Aias and Bellephron together can beat Excalibur for example), so many servants should be half or a third of a continent in terms of firepower and thus about continent level.
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There is also the fact that anti-fortress is significantly stronger in power than anti-armies and what not. So you'd be comparing it more to an A rank Anti Fortress regardless in that case.
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