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    What exactly does BB do again in Summer 3? Cause Kama in her infant stage needed Ooku to speed through to becoming a Beast, but that ended up getting hijacked by Kasuga to help beat her.

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    Time powers kinda suck against IM.

    Though Kama's is pretty bad for a beast so who knows?
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    As a Servant, Kama has basically zero motivation so this skill is in a state of being sealed at her depths, but the effects of "instant death and mental debuff resistance" can be displayed even like this.

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    why is time stop bad against IM?
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    It does mean that, but not literally.
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    Literally none of this addresses my complaint. What we see in the story IS all there is of him. A footnote in a side material book saying "oh btw that's totally not his real self" is irrelevant to the way he's presented in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fire_mountain_30 View Post
    why is time stop bad against IM?
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    i thought those were meant for death via time paradoxes
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    It does mean that, but not literally.
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    Literally none of this addresses my complaint. What we see in the story IS all there is of him. A footnote in a side material book saying "oh btw that's totally not his real self" is irrelevant to the way he's presented in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fire_mountain_30 View Post
    i thought those were meant for death via time paradoxes
    Time paradox is just an effect comes from time manipulation. There are many forms of time manipulations such as time loop, time freeze, time acceleration, pruning of timelines, destroying quantum time locks, lostbelt planting, singularities, time travel (this one causes the most obvious time paradoxes)...etc. The skill provides resistance against all of such. That's why burning the time tree and bleaching the planet (freezing the time tree, literally the super form of time stop) did not affect any of them, despite these form of attacks are not related to time paradox death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fire_mountain_30 View Post
    ok, curious about this one

    Beast Kama VS Nyah BB
    Both of them have descriptions that basically sum up to "Vaguely Omnipotent" but Kama eats shit against Kasuga owning a house so I really can't see BB losing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peanut-007 View Post
    Both of them have descriptions that basically sum up to "Vaguely Omnipotent" but Kama eats shit against Kasuga owning a house so I really can't see BB losing.
    Except that was because she chose Ooku - Kasuga's house as her universe. So the actual owner of said place (conceptually) > the invading (fake) owner.

    BB can't do the same, because she's not the real owner of Ooku. You put anyone other than Kasuga to fight Kama in the Ooku you lose.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lily Emilio View Post
    Except that was because she chose Ooku - Kasuga's house as her universe. So the actual owner of said place (conceptually) > the invading (fake) owner.

    BB can't do the same, because she's not the real owner of Ooku. You put anyone other than Kasuga to fight Kama in the Ooku you lose.
    Summer BB's third skill, Faceless Moon is a RM though so it should neutralize any terrain effects while it's up i.e. conceptual ownership of a place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    Summer BB's third skill, Faceless Moon is a RM though so it should neutralize any terrain effects while it's up i.e. conceptual ownership of a place.
    yes, yes

    let the lore mechanics debate flow through you
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    It does mean that, but not literally.
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    Literally none of this addresses my complaint. What we see in the story IS all there is of him. A footnote in a side material book saying "oh btw that's totally not his real self" is irrelevant to the way he's presented in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    Summer BB's third skill, Faceless Moon is a RM though so it should neutralize any terrain effects while it's up i.e. conceptual ownership of a place.
    But that would still not be the same thing as Kasuga's case. Kasuga took back what is hers, to prevent Kama's usage of the entire space. BB's faceless moon at best would only be able to prevent Kama's power from touching the area within the RM's range, not the entire place. And even that skill has limited duration, unlike Kasuga's free range of control once she took the admin rights back.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lily Emilio View Post
    Except that was because she chose Ooku - Kasuga's house as her universe. So the actual owner of said place (conceptually) > the invading (fake) owner.

    BB can't do the same, because she's not the real owner of Ooku. You put anyone other than Kasuga to fight Kama in the Ooku you lose.
    Being the lord of a house is like being the god of that world. Basic bounded field principles that the case file anime even kindly anviliciously hammers into the audience.

    I guess it’s like if Nero had a metaphorical fistfight with her theater or something. Wow that sounds dumb tho.

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    Should Eresh be embarassed that Tiamat was about to make the underworld her bitch, or should Kama be that she couldn't do the same to Kasuga?

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    I mean, Tiamat did emerge from the underworld, so she's kinda like Kasuga in that regard.


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    To be fair, Tiamat is a whole beast, as opposed to Kama, who's only half of one.

    But yeah, losing to an old lady who once owned the house you're now using as an evil secret base, just because she once owned the house, should be pretty embarassing.
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    It’s more she decided to become the house. Then the old lady slaps you with the deed that says “I own you.”

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    Can prime Zouken beat Touko? IIRC he has a chance against servants but Touko is a higher rank than him in the mages association.

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