One would assume super sky father vs super earth mother is a pretty equal fight in ways.
that said considering Zeus’s role and place he might be the sort of person who is meant to begone thot things like Tiamat so.
One would assume super sky father vs super earth mother is a pretty equal fight in ways.
that said considering Zeus’s role and place he might be the sort of person who is meant to begone thot things like Tiamat so.
Couldn't she breed some super-advanced flying lahmus like the ones we fight (and against whom even Quetz was having difficulty, if I recall it correctly) to send after him?
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For that matter, couldn't she just fire back her own energy blasts?
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Mythologically, he supplanted the previous sky-fathers, not the earth-mother, though.Originally Posted by Menwearpink
LB Zeus was flinging lightning on part with Artemis' planet-breaking shorts like he was Darth Sidious. And he wasn't even trying. IIRC he also has the power of the eleven other Olympians.
But mythologically, Tiamat got BTF'd by Marduk didn't she?
It's the usual "has the firepower to destroy her body but cannot kill her cuz cannot grant death concept". He nuked Sefar, he has more than enough firepower.
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Or the Rho Aias thing in the anime. We don't know how strong it is compare to Athena's Aegis that Mashu used tho.
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He has their, not total power. If any of them is destroyed, the main ship (Zeus) obtains the functions. But there are a few functions that he doesn't have such Athena's, Ares', Poseidon's.Authoritiesfunctions
Also most of his mana are fueled by the crystal mountain (linked to him via the divine veins), so you literally must give him the home turf advantage of being in LB5 so he can efficiently use his nukes. Because of concentrating functions onto himself, maintaining Olympus and using his functions cost A LOT of energy, that's why he has to connect to the crystal mountain. Basically in term of self sustain like mana to attack, defense, regen, Tiamat outclasses him.
Hm, good point. Zeus the Supplanter having an advantage over Tiamat the Supplanted feels appropriate. But we also haven't seen Tiamat at full power.
I don't know. My first thought was that the fight would be extremely even, but with Zeus possibly having the aforementioned advantage and Tiamat's mud being unable to reach him, I'm leaning toward Zeus winning.
It wasn't that clear cut. After Ea put Apsu to sleep with a spell and kill him (then Ea was scared shitless because Tiamat is way stronger than Apsu), he took over Apsu's home and then Marduk was born in there, having the might of 10 gods combined. Dude is a chad. In the Enuma Elish, Tiamat's body is extremely tough that makes her almost invincible to any weapon, so when fighting her Marduk provoked her so she open her mouth to either cast some spells or bite him (FGO Merlin referenced this in Babylonia during the underworld fight). He took the chance and use the winds (Imhullu and a few others) to prevent her from closing her mouth and mess her up from the inside, then he attack the insides (some versions said he crush her head with his club, some said he shoot arrows down her throat).
In Fate, we saw a scar from his axe that was left on Tiamat's dragon form, but we knew he didn't kill her, she's just sealed away.
Tiamat wasn't actually the Supplanted tho, and Fate Tiamat has no mythological weaknesses. It was Apsu who is the Supplanted and he was already killed by Ea (who is Zeus' equivalent). From the start Tiamat was 100% against Apsu's plan to kill the younger gods, saying that she will not destroy the children she gave birth to, so Apsu went ahead. For some reason that plan was reported to Ea and co (I've seen some interpretation that it was Tiamat who warned Ea, but it''s just a speculation because the myth did not make it clear). Then even after Ea killed Apsu, she still did not want to do anything. Marduk was then born and while he was playing with his wind toys, it caused wind across the ocean, causing headache to Tiamat and some elder gods. They begged her to solve the problem, saying that she's not a mother because she doesn't love them anymore, and Kingu was the one who suggested her to lead a war, that's when she finally accepted the request and made Kingu the leader. Basically it was a battle of 2 sides of gods, the gods of older generation and the new gods, but they all ran like hell the moment Marduk took out Tiamat. Marduk was also unaware of this political conflict, he just agreed to help his dad, and only after the war that he found out Kingu was the mastermind, so he punished Kingu.
Both Tiamat and Marduk were basically chess pieces in a civil war between the elder gods and the younger gods.
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So basically Babylonian Titanomachy
Even if Zeus might be unable to put the concept of death into Tiamat, he should be more than capable of sealing her like Marduk did no? Or just say fuck it and vaporize the Indian ocean.
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Yes, obviously. She probably will lose most versus matchups against those who has large scale EX rank nukes (like, even Space ishtar/Astarte Origin can probably win as servant), she just doesn't actually die until you get Gramps in there.
Actually that's a better matchup, Astarte Origin vs LB Zeus.
So what was the literal translation of LB Zeus' special restraints being unlocked, Anti-Solar System or Anti-Galaxy?
The term 星系 is mostly used to refer to galaxies, so it's the go-to definition.
But 銀河 is also galaxy (it's usually used to refer to the Milky Way for short, but the galaxies in the trees are called 銀河 as well so I guess it's the generic meaning) and it's kinda strange that it was not used here. If you want to be literal, it's Anti "Star system" (星系). Depends on how 星 is used here (refer to a planet or a sun) then it can also mean solar system, hence the confusion in the TLs. I would lean towards anti-galaxy because early on in the chapter Europa said Zeus' lightning can shake the galaxy iirc.
Huh. I know even less about Babylonian mythology than I thought I did, it seems.
Regardless Marduk and Zeus are both the giant ordermen so.
Zeus' anti-galaxy takes a while to powerup, and he was defeated in the battle before he could do it. I don't think too much of him compared to fully manifested beasts. You need seven to beat one. Zeus lost handily to Saint Seiya Roma, Ares and a few others. It was said Roma was on the same level even alone. While still a very powerful team, is not equivalent to seven grands.
Considering we never got to 7 grands you can say they take a while to power up(be summoned) too.
Zeus seems more impressive than can roast the surface and mainly is overwhelming due to being immune to Nps, Goetia tree man honestly tho
ah yes, a God, a Grand that has some good specific counters against Zeus, and just some other randoms displaying the authorities of other gods and a super gun made to kill beings like him, no biggie
Speaking of Black barrel, I wonder can that one shot Tiamat or does her Mother Authority protect her from it?
Zeus and other Olympians lost because they are God.
if they were Ships (Kaos Fleet) it's game over for Earth.
At least one of the grands summoned to fight the beasts uses up a conceptual advantage. Against Tiamat, you had two, and several other equivalents. You need 7 to beat them back without specific gimmicks. This was mentioned in Ooku and goes all the way back to Nasu's quote on Primate Murder circa 2005.
Goetia's AAS is facilitated by 3000 years of human history. As we've learned for a very long time, humanity is the stronkest and governs the laws of the galaxy. The same fantasy tree that surpasses and humiliated Zeus has the same amount of magic power as AAS.
Discounting that, Kirschtaria was about as strong as Zeus, and Animu Animusphere got dismissed pretty easily by Man of Chaldea/Roman, who tops out as Beast I-lite. Kirsch juiced himself up with the great command spell and couldn't harm Beast 7 at all.
So? I never said what defeated Zeus wasn't real shit. I said it wasn't equal to seven grands. Where was it said Romulus had a conceptual advantage against Zeus? They're not even part of the same history. And that grand alone, is very close to him in power.
The summon of Romulus-Quirinus, the ultimate god of one mythology, who still has an human side and would side with the Human Order as a Heroic Spirit/Divine Spirit with power equal to the thunderbolt weilded by Zeus, the king of the Greek gods who often calls himself almighty.
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